Where the mind goes, the Qi follows the flow. This fundamental principle of Qigong is called Yi Dao Qi Dao. As simple as it is, how do we apply it in our daily lives when the world around us seems in turmoil? Sharing from her own powerful experience, Luise Kohl-Hajek explores the essence of this principle and how it changed her life. My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this is the
Wisdom Qigong podcast. I suggested the topic Yi Dao Qi Dao, which means where your mind and your heart goes, there the energy flows, the energy follows always your attention. Well, this is kind of already quite popular. Well, let’s say people in the street, even if you ask them, they would say, “yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s true, that’s true. We know that.” But to realize that in my personal life,
this actually has a great meaning, has great importance, is a different thing, a different story. It had a lot of importance in my personal life, actually, and in my life with Qigong, in particular with Zhineng Qigong. When I think back of how I got into contact with Zhineng Qigong, that was a time that was quite hard for me because, at that time, I had the diagnosis of breast
cancer. Luckily, I would say I had a Qigong teacher at that time already. I had started Qigong many years before, but not Zhineng Qigong. He taught us also not just the movements, but also the consciousness that’s behind it all, the philosophy. I would say, “Yeah.” And when I had cancer, he said, “Okay.” I told him, “Many people in my family had died already from cancer.” And he told
me, “You will be the first one in your family to survive cancer.” So this morning it came to my mind and I thought, “Okay.” This was kind of the initial information that made me think, “Okay, it could be different for me.” Also, I would say when I got the diagnosis, there was, in an instant, I had one little thought that, if I practiced Qigong for four weeks, my
cancer would vanish. Right. It was just. It came from nowhere, you know, I could not say, yeah, I had this thought from nowhere. It would not be right to say that because the year before, I had already had kind of another diagnosis that I was dizzy most of the time, I could not hear well, and so on. At that time, I was treated in hospital, but it didn’t
help much. And so I had one week of Qigong, actually in the summer. After this week of Qigong, everything had vanished and it has ever since. It never reoccurred. So that was already quite a strong information. Yes. So when I had the diagnosis, this thought came, but I kind of wiped it away and thought, “Okay, okay, it’s such a really dangerous thing,” and people tell you when you’ve
got cancer. And at least at that time, many people said, or most people said, “Okay, this is already your death sentence, more or less.” Today we know that breast cancer can be healed in many cases, but at that time, it was not so widespread, this recognition. That was a long time ago. It actually happened in 2001. So 23 years from now, in the course of this whole process
with my disease at that time, I decided not to go the usual path, not to take the usual path. That means operation. Within four weeks or so, I decided to try with homeopathy. I had a doctor, a natural doctor at that time. I found him by chance, and he said he had successfully healed breast cancer with homeopathy before, so we should try. It helped, but it did not
heal it. So I had an operation the year after. All the time, actually dealing with my consciousness, with my trauma, which I certainly carried from my childhood, etc. Trying to solve it, resolve it in some way. When I had the operation, it turned out that it was, there was more cancer and so on. In the end, I had only the choice either to have a complete mastectomy and
chemotherapy or to go to China. So I got the information actually from my Qigong teacher, who by chance again found on the. On the computer, one day a picture appeared on his screen: 101 Miracles of Healing by Luke Chan. And he got interested, and he wrote to America. Luke Chan was in America at that time and got the book. Actually, he told me about it. So he sent
me. At that time, he didn’t live here, so he sent me one copy of one story, the life story of one of the people who had gotten healed. And by, and by, somehow within me, there grew the hope that when I go to China, I might get help, I might get cured. In the end, I ended up in China. I’ve told the story many times before. I ended
up with Lucian, who had just gone back to China. And as I had the information in my head, four weeks, four weeks, four weeks, I had it in the first place when I got the diagnosis, but also in the. In the life stories of the people who had got healed. Many people said four weeks and I was healed. So this was the information. Within these four weeks, it
happened for me. Amazing. Amazing. If I think back today, I hadn’t understood for quite a while why this was possible, but later on it was clear it’s the information that counts. And many, many other cases in my life, I had experiences that really showed me it’s true. Now let’s, let’s look a little deeper at that. So what you’re basically saying is that where the mind goes, the energy
follows. Or in other words, people that don’t do Qigong, they might say, “Now whatever my intention is, it will materialize in the world.” And so in order to get an intention, an intention is linked to information. So if you have this information within you, in four weeks I’m going to be healed. That is the same thing as an intention because it is like a fact for you, right?
It is something that, okay, this is what’s going to happen. And it seems to me that you weren’t sitting there every morning in front of a mirror and saying, “I’ll be healed, I’ll be healed in four weeks. I’ll be healed in four weeks.” It seems to me that you only really had this information like once. And it sank in, but there was no need to make it a
mantra or anything like that. Is that fair to say? Absolutely. I don’t think it. I was not absolutely convinced, but somehow it sank in, as you said. I did not repeat it again and again. I had a lot of doubts actually when I was in China during that time. I remember one day when I thought I will even go back home because I’m not able to get it.
So doubting is okay, but somehow this deep, deep conviction, I don’t know how it happened, but it was stronger than all the other information. And that is the thing. I think this is very important because it seems to me that often we have very conflicting thoughts, and conflicting information, in particular if we’re in a health crisis. So there’s a part of you that believes you can be healed.
There’s a part of you, there is a path to healing, that believes that. Then there are all these doubts coming all the time, all these fears, all this anxiety, etc. It’s just from me listening to how you explained it, it seems that, yes, all this shattering about, oh my God, will it work? And what’s happening if it’s not working, etc. But the other information, which you said came
out of nowhere initially, or you felt like it came out of nowhere, was so deep that you couldn’t. You couldn’t unroot it. So no matter what else was up there, like this was an underlying information, underlying conviction that I think. It was more on the unconscious level rather than on the conscious level. Because on the conscious level, you had all these doubts and all these fears, right? Yeah.
So I think this is interesting because this is a struggle we all have, that these informations pop up from both sides. So let’s explore this a little more. You also said something very interesting. You said, you know, usually when I hear that the Yi Dao Qi Dao. Right. When I hear that, people think of where the mind goes, the Qi follows, or the energy follows. Now you said
where the mind and the heart goes. So I think this is interesting that you mentioned that. Can we explore this a little? Yeah. The mind and the heart. Well, in China, I know they don’t make a difference so much between the heart and the mind. We in the west, we identify ourselves with our mind mostly. There’s a saying by Descartes, that has had a lot of influence. Like
‘I think that’s why I am. ‘ Something like that, in English. No, the thinking is only on the surface, actually. And the heart, well, that’s also kind of to say heart. the deeper things, the unconscious also. So your unconscious has to go somewhere in order to make the energy follow. That is a really tricky thing with the unconscious because there’s a lot of information stored in our unconscious.
It’s called unconscious because it’s unconscious. And to make this conscious somehow, and to really, like in ancient Greece, in the Oracle of Delphi, at the Apollo temple, it said, know thyself. And knowing myself is like really exploring what else is inside my unconscious. And that’s really been a really interesting journey for me in all those years, ever since I was healed. Dealing with the unconscious in all kinds
of ways. I’m still very passionate about it. I dealt a lot with trauma, and I had the training with that. There’s so much information stored within every person which we don’t have access to, but it pops up in situations where we are challenged on the outside and we feel almost powerless. Confronted with this information, so it is so important, I think, to train in times when there’s not
so much challenge, to train every day. To really understand who I am, what do I identify with. And to really see that it’s not my, it’s not my thoughts, it’s not my feelings. There’s a deeper realm, a deeper level of being than all this. To identify with that, because that is deeper than all the old information given to us or imprinted in us. My name is Leila Cupido,
and I’m the project manager of the Students Hub. Our team is constantly adding events, teachers, videos, and other resources to take your practice to the next level, improving the quality of your life and the life of the people around you. We do this work for you, so please use it. One could say, although we don’t have a choice about what information we have picked up along the way
and what has been imprinted, we do have a choice on how much we follow this information. You know, whether we are just a blind slave to whatever, you know, our past has brought onto us or whether we are saying, yes, this information is present, but I don’t need to necessarily buy into it. I don’t necessarily need to follow it. I know it’s there, but, you know, there’s more
and there’s more and deeper wisdom. When you, when you spoke about how the Chinese don’t really differentiate so strictly between the mind and the heart, it goes, one goes with the other. One could easily say that the heart information is the far stronger information. It’s the deeper knowledge, the deeper knowing. That is why, you know, all this noise from outside is there, but it doesn’t have to take
over your life. I think that is, you know, from the conversations I had so far, that is one of the critical factors for the people that actually heal themselves and others, that struggle more, that they don’t allow the old information, the past, to take over. But, you know, that they connect with their deep inner knowledge, which is that everything is good, and everything will be good, and everything
will always be good. Right? And then this chatter doesn’t have the power over you. But that’s just my thoughts here, you know, please correct me and add whatever you feel is right for you. Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. However, it’s not so easy to. It’s easy to say you have the choice. You can always choose which way you go. I have said that many, many times to
the people I taught, to my students. Yes, but in times of difficulty, as I said before, when you are challenged, it’s not so easy to really choose because you feel more like there is no choice, and to really step away from that. It’s from that old pattern, from that old understanding. It’s not easy. I want to give an example. I recently had this accident, a little accident. I
fell over in the street and I broke my left shoulder, my left upper arm. I went to the hospital, of course, and at the hospital, they told me it will last like at least eight weeks or three months. So that was the information they put inside my head. And I put inside my head. I accepted the information. I feel like it was very, or it still is, quite
difficult for me to overcome that because healing a bone, somehow, doesn’t— for me, it seems like because bone is solid and cancer, I couldn’t see it, I couldn’t feel it. I could feel it, but not see it, actually. So it was more like the soft thing in the tissues and so on. There seems to be a difference for me. I don’t know why, but there is a difference.
I followed this information now and I’m aware of it. Of course, I’m recovering and it’s all going well, but still, it took longer than it could have taken. I think if I had just, like I have done many times in my life, thought, “Okay, I am not a slave to that thinking, to the western doctor’s thinking.” I have had lots of other information and experiences. So still it’s
possible to, in parts of your life to not be able to choose because the old information seems to govern everything, to determine everything. So choosing, yes. Becoming aware again and again and again and again in every single moment of your own words, of your own thoughts, etc. And that is something that none, nobody, none of us. Most of us I would say would not be able to do.
Because there are situations when you are more tired, when you’re more stressed, when there are more things happening in your family that are not so easy. And in those situations, to be so wide awake that you can always choose, and always be in the big Qi field where everything’s possible, it sounds easy, but it’s not. I totally get you. I also think we are pointing to something quite
important. When you talked about the healing of your bone and yet the information, “It’ll take around 12 weeks,” quite frankly, you know, whether the bone heals within eight weeks or 12 weeks, I mean, who cares? It’s a little more time. Also, I think we shouldn’t try to become righteous about certain details about the healing. Yeah. Now, if you’ve got, I think the intention is that you said, “My
bone is completely healed.” That is the intention. Now, you’re not going to go there and explain to your unconscious and to the Qi field how exactly it’s supposed to do that healing, right? Because that would be to do. Because we don’t really know. So we should trust the Qi that it does whatever it needs to do, that it takes the time that it needs. Right. So I’m also,
because I know this is a public podcast, I don’t want people to do stupid things yet. Say you’ve got a broken bone and you get the information, it takes 12 weeks. You know, don’t try to do heavy weight lifting with that arm after four weeks because you think, “Yeah, you don’t need to believe the information.” Yeah. All right, so there’s a big, there’s a distinction between trusting that
you are. You are completely healthy without setting a mechanism, a cause, a time frame for it. We don’t need that. Yeah. Let the Qi do the work and let’s trust the Qi and the inherent wisdom of the body to do whatever it needs to do and to take the time that it needs. I mean, that’s, I think this is important to understand also. Yeah, maybe I should, or
I would like to give a few more interesting experiences. I just remembered one. A few years ago, my mother was in an old age pensioner’s home. She could not walk properly and she had, a walker and many people around who also had walkers. And I visited her very often because I wanted her to get better, because she’d been in hospital before. She couldn’t walk at all at the
beginning. Then we walked every time I was there and so on. So at that time, very strangely, or not strangely at all, suddenly I had problems with walking. From one day to the next, I could not really walk properly. I was in tears, actually, because I thought, “Oh, my God, what’s happening now?” Like, I had all these old people with walkers around, around me so often. I remember
sitting in my room crying and thinking, “Okay, now my fate is already determined,” and I have all these thoughts. Sometimes these thoughts are just coming up. Then I remembered, “Okay, no, I’m a Qigong teacher. I will not buy into those thoughts,” and I really connected strongly to the information which I also had in my subconscious, in my mind. I went to sleep, and next morning I woke up,
I did not even think of it. I went down. My husband didn’t say a word, but he observed me because he had known the day before I was absolutely not able to walk or only a few steps. And I got on my bike, I went to the next village, etc. There was nothing the whole day. But in the evening I was invited to a birthday party and, yeah,
there were some colleagues of mine from school because I was a school teacher at that time. We just went downstairs and I, when I just hit with my right foot, I hit one of the stairs and just a little bit. And one of the people behind me said, be careful. At that time it came back, I couldn’t walk. I hardly could walk down the stairs. And it was
like almost impossible for me to get to my car to go home. You know, somehow I managed, but very hard. It’s very interesting because then obviously at that moment I connected with the other information. So it’s so interesting how we connect just by an information that connects with my other information suddenly evokes something like that. So I remembered at home, okay, what happened. And it was okay after
that. But that happened in several cases actually in the past. Not only with walking, different things. But I have this experience and it’s amazing. Every word, every thought can actually make a change. That is the learning. So the information works both ways. Right, and it only proves how powerful the mind is. Yeah. If you buy into this information, it’s going to materialize. And at that moment the information
was, oops, “I’ve got problems walking, I can’t really move.” And immediately the body reacts to it and basically follows your instructions. Exactly. But if this is true in one way, it’s also true in the other way. Right. So it really shows how powerful the mind is and is a good example from the other spectrum that, that wherever the mind goes and the heart goes, the Qi will follow
or the energy will follow and the body will follow. So information is really the most important thing. I have come to realize. We have these three matters of existence, as Dr. Pang explains, like Qi, like matter and information. But I think information is really the most important. And I’m only still realizing what information means. It means everything. It means the smell that surrounds me. It means my thoughts,
it means what I see here in my room, around me when I wake up in the morning. What is, what is the first thing I see that is information. Inside, outside, what people say, what I say. My own words are information I give to other people. It’s always like, it’s this dance, this amazing dance in the universe all the time between the individual and the collective. It’s really.
I’m still in awe of it, and sometimes I cannot understand. Oh my God. Yeah, like this. But one thing I would like also to say to give an example of the collective information that may influence us so much. During the Corona times we had a lot of very negative reports on TV and in the newspapers, and it was more negative than before. People were really like put in
fear. Everywhere there was just fear and there was just. I would say people were manipulated, I would say. Into fearing, fearing the virus, fearing to die and to, to be contagious, etc., etc. There was, it was kind of hysterical actually around me. I could really see it. People were changing so quickly and connecting to their primary fears, to the primal fears within. At that time it was actually,
for me it was easier to not buy into those, those fears because I had already seen so much with the Zhineng Qigong experiences, so I was kind of immune to it. But yes, I could see it around me and I can still see that from then. Maybe it started before, but I can realize it more clearly now. The media really kind of spread fear all the time. Warning,
fearing. Okay, now it’s getting hot. It’s getting the next hell heat is waiting for us. I read this morning only. But it’s cool all the time, more or less in Germany. This is the first really hot day and yeah, all the time, like spreading fear of war. Yeah, of course there are these wars. But if I clutter my mind with the wars all the time, every day, just
thinking about it, worrying about it. I am not, I’m no good for the world. Nobody is good for the world whose mind is cluttered with this negative thinking. So I really have to manage myself really well to what do I let in and what do I connect with? To not just sit in front of the TV and consume the news without thinking, and allowing myself to become darker
and darker, and more connected to the primal fears that are inside me. I think what you’re pointing towards is that if we talk about information that comes from the outside, there is this information, but it’s at the end of the day it is me who is processing this information. Exactly. So I might be exposed to exactly the same information that someone else, but what determines my future and
my life is how I process this information. And I think that is what you are encouraging all of us here to do, to process this in a way that it doesn’t, or that it supports you, rather than takes away from your powers. We can see this a lot with Qigong masters. I mean, they are the best examples. It doesn’t matter what happens in their life, in the outside,
they process it in a way that it doesn’t affect them negatively. That is something which, if all of us would do that, we would also change the world because if nobody’s processing it in a negative way, the world would be obviously far more positive. If nobody buys into the idea that the Russians are all bad people and we need to arm ourselves against. If nobody buys into these
ideas then life would be very different because they’re not bad people. Right. So, yes. The processing of information, this is within our control and this is something which we need to be aware of. If we’re just consuming, listening to the news or reading the papers, consuming without having our conscious shield on, of saying, ‘Okay, what does this information do to me?” Yeah. Also knowing obviously that this, that
what we call information in the news, is not information, it’s really a propaganda because somebody wants us to think a certain thing. We know that, then we can look at this information very differently, and respond very differently and take on very different information. Right? Absolutely. One thing I’d like to come back to is you said the Chinese masters are really good examples for how things don’t affect them
when things happen, they just have a positive thought, the first thought principle. What is my first thought? Very important. I absolutely agree. The thing is, these Chinese masters practice Qigong all the time. They teach Qigong all the time. They are in this Qigong thinking bubble and living bubble. And whereas somebody who lives in a normal life, I would say normal, yeah, normal life, so has a job, has
surroundings, surrounded by people, who do not know about Qigong or do not care about Qigong. That’s much more difficult for those people to be aware and to have their own resilience, I would say. So it’s kind of resilience the Chinese teachers acquired, because they practiced Qigong for so many decades. It’s so easy when you are in the Qigong bubble. I would say to really, yeah, think like this,
to act like this, etc. But as soon as you go back to normal life, go back to your old friends who don’t care about Qigong, whatever you’re doing, it’s much more difficult. That actually happens to me. Yeah. Now let me challenge you a little, Luise, because at the end, this is also just information. So basically we are buying into the idea, the thought that if I’m a Qigong
master, it’s easy. If I have a regular life, it’s difficult. Now, what if we transform that information and say, “No, it is easy for all of us,” and because now we have this awareness, or we just choose to be aware all the time. And it’s really a practice thing. Now, if you are aware, the more you are aware and the more often you choose, the more it becomes
just who you are and how you react to things. So let’s not buy into this. Let’s just all say we can do that easily. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this challenge. It’s true. It’s kind of. I got into my own trap again, into the trap of my old thinking. And that’s what happens all the time. And it’s very good if I have someone
like you at this moment who reminds me of that. That’s what we all have to do for each other, to remind each other when we, when we get back to that ordinary thinking. I’m really grateful at this very moment to what you said. You’re right. I have always. No matter what my environment is, no matter what the people around me believe or think or say, I have the
chance to get back to the information that I am more than my body, I am more than the information people try to make me believe, etc. I am just, so much more. I’m all the time able to connect to every information I want to connect to. Thank you. So it’s easy always for everyone to get back to that knowledge. I’d like to, I’d like to share a story
here that I think is fundamental to how can you be in that state? And that has to do with our, quite arrogant way of going through life, that we think we know what is good and what is bad. And there’s this old story from China. I’m sure many of the listeners know it already, so excuse me if I bore anyone, but it’s about this farmer in China, he’s
got a son. And one day a wild horse runs towards the farmer and the whole village comes and says, “Wow, you’re so lucky you’ve got a horse now. You’re so lucky.” And he said, well, “No, it’s neither good nor bad. I just have a horse now.” And then a little later, the horse ran away and the whole village came to the farmer and said, “Oh, poor you. The
horse ran away, so sorry.” And the farmer said, it’s neither good nor bad. It’s just that the horse went away and the horse came back with a whole herd of more horses. So everybody in the village came back and said, “Wow, you’re so lucky now you’ve got a herd of horses.” And the farmer said, it’s neither good nor bad. And then the son, you know, was riding one
of the horses, fell down, broke his leg. So the village came and said, “Poor farmer, your son broke his leg.” And the farmer said, “It’s neither good nor bad.” And then the army came because China was at war and took all the young sons from the village into the war. Only the farmer’s son could stay behind because he had the broken leg. So everybody in the village came
back to him. And you can continue the story forever and forever and forever. But what I’m really saying is we don’t know what’s good or bad. You know, so many things in our life happen and they, what we think is good in the first instance turns out to be something not so good later on. And something that we think is bad turns out to be something very good
at the end. And this is why I think the masters, that’s basically what they are saying. Things are neither good nor bad, it’s just what they are. And that is a fundamental knowledge. And if I have that, then it’s not a miraculous practice to go through life and process the information that way, without having it affect you. And so I honestly fundamentally think it is an easy thing.
It’s not a difficult or complex thing. We don’t need to study hundreds of books to be there. We don’t need to do Qigong for 55 years and teach other people in order to get there. I think we can do it in an instant. If we understand that the cause of all our unhappiness is that: We think we know what is good and what is bad. It’s this judgment
that basically runs our life now. If we don’t have this judgment and if we let go of this judgment, then life is a walk in the park. Absolutely, you’re right. But every single moment, you have to do that again and again. But it’s the next moment. It’s always in the present. I have to be aware. I have to become aware. Okay, I agree with you fully. And it’s
not over. When I understood it, it has to, the next moment has to be the same. I have to come back to, or, yeah, I have to. It’s always difficult. But I want to, and I decide to, I choose to. Exactly. That’s it. Yeah. And my thought about this is, if you truly understand it, then you react automatically like this. Now, if it’s just a concept in your
mind, just like you said earlier, a lot of people, when you talk to them on the streets and you say, well, your intention is what manifests in your life, they’re all not. But I tell you, they haven’t understood because if they would have understood this concept, they would go through life differently. And it’s the same thing. It’s the same thing with this concept. Now, once you totally understand
that concept, there is no other way of going through life. You don’t need to remind yourself. You don’t need to discipline yourself. It’s just, you fundamentally got this idea, so that’s how you go through life. But, yeah, that’s just my 5 cents in this conversation here. Yeah. Very good. Thank you. You have talked to many masters and teachers before. I think that does also broaden your own picture
of it, and it has certainly influenced you and your life as well. I’m infinitely grateful for all the information that I got in this Qigong field and in these years when I practiced Qigong and taught Qigong. It’s so great. And it will never end as long as I live, definitely. But I’m learning. I’m still learning. And I feel that, “Okay, today I may have understood,” but the next
day, there’s some confusion suddenly because there’s a new challenge. Another thing I have to deal with and again. I have to come back and realize, “Okay, so that’s what I meant when I said it’s not easy.” But it’s easy. It’s easy, but not easy. Like, it’s empty, but not empty. It’s the same thing. Absolutely, and this is where awareness comes in. The moment I’m not aware, I’m just
walking through life like living dead, that then, you know, I. I won’t notice what I’m doing. But if I constantly get back to my awareness, then I discover these things. Just like you discovered, you know, with the information about the broken bone, how it affected you. So you saw it, and at that moment, you have a choice. If you don’t see these things, if you’re not aware, then
you don’t have a choice. Then you just, you know. Yeah, exactly. Then also one thing I’d like to point out is there’s a tendency, maybe more among women than among men, because women usually talk about experiences, they exchange information about feelings, etc. And, yeah, I realized when people ask me about, for example, the broken bone, etc., so I have, I have, or I had the tendency several times.
It happened to me that I told the whole story again, and they wanted to know how it happened and everything. Every time I tell those stories, I connect to that incident and it confirms, “Okay, bone broken, bone broken, horrible, horrible, horrible.” And that is a trap. I found a trap which I put up for myself or other people. Yeah, I choose to follow the trap which they offer
me. And with women, I think this happens a lot more than with men, at least in my surroundings. Men normally don’t talk so explicitly about what thing, what happened to them, how they felt and how horrible it was and whatever. It’s like a temptation. I felt tempted to go into the story again, even though I realized, oh, no, no, no, don’t go there, because I have already got
the different information. I’m healed, I’m healed, it’s already good. But I was tempted, I tempted myself, whatever, to follow that. That is something we shouldn’t do if possible. If we realize it, okay, nothing like that. I don’t follow that story. I don’t follow what was so painful for me anymore. If I have physical pain, it’s the same thing. Do I follow my physical pain that is there, or
do I follow something different? And that is when I have physical pain, it’s difficult, but I’m training myself to put my anchor somewhere else, you know, like follow my breathing into my lower Dantian, for example, and having all kinds of methods that help me to not connect to the information of pain or of. Yeah, yeah, that’s a great example. And I think we all know these people in
our life that we call drama queens. So something happens to them and they just get completely obsessed in telling it in the brightest colors to anyone they meet. And that obviously now only reinforces the drama. So it doesn’t help them to get out of the drama. It just makes it bigger and bigger and bigger. And I remember a podcast that I had. I think it was with Andrea
Reverchon. So for the listeners that want to listen to that episode, Andrea had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and she decided to only tell three people about it because she knew if all her environment had this information, it would kind of reinforce this information. She said she just decided not even going to share it. So that was a clever way, I think. Not everybody can do that, but
it was a clever way of doing exactly what you said. Don’t stick to this information. Don’t repeat it over and over again. I’m very grateful for you to bring up that point at the end of our conversation here because I think it’s an important aspect of this idea where the mind goes. The Qi follows the flow. Absolutely, I did the same thing when I had the cancer. Even
though I was not healed after the operation, I told people, “I’m healed,” It’s okay. I went to school again and worked again, with knowing that there was still a lot of cancer. But I convinced myself so much I’m healthy, etc. Then I went to China, but I didn’t tell people because I hadn’t realized in the first place that my colleagues called and people called. “Oh, how you poor
thing.” Yeah, poor thing. Oh my God, what information is that? Because women tend to do this. I had a lot of female colleagues. So that was the information I got even, and I had to comfort the other people at that time. So I decided I won’t tell anyone that I still have the cancer. Only my family knew, and that helped. That helped to stay strong. So if you
are able to not talk about it with so many people, it helps you a lot more. Because if it’s reflected all the time, it’s made worse and worse, and more dramatic. That doesn’t help anyone. So I really try. I love to surround myself with Zhineng Qigong people and Zhineng Qigong teachers. If I ever have a problem, a really serious problem, I had some problems also in my family
before. So what I did was connect to Teacher Wie or Teacher Jianshe, and they gave me the information that was necessary at that time. So I don’t need to connect and tell other people. I think this is a great closing word from you, about our little conversation today. About this idea of where your mind goes, where your intention goes, the energy will follow and it will manifest. But
I would like to know, Luise, you’ve been a teacher for many, many years. What are you offering these days? So if I’m interested to learn Qigong with you or continue with my practice, what are the possibilities I have as a student? At the moment, I’m just teaching here in my surroundings, in the north of Hessen, Germany. Part of Hessen, part of Germany. In September, from the 1st to
the 10th of September, my friend Anita Ilic, who’s also been a Qigong teacher for a long time, and I are offering a 10-day Qigong holiday retreat on the island of Korčula in Croatia. It’s the eighth time that we offer that. We do it every year, and we love to do it. It’s really wonderful. Those are mainly the things that are coming up in the future for this year.
Maybe next year, I don’t know yet, but there will probably be a lot more things. I’m also one of the heads of the Qigong Association Germany. I was one of the people who founded it. We are also planning something for next year again. We had a really big gathering last year in September, and many, many people were there. We had a wonderful time, and we are thinking of
offering something similar next year. So try to follow the information. We will have your website in the show notes. Anybody who’s interested in joining, I know that the conference was a huge success, and although it was the German association, it was an international gathering. So I suppose you’re going to plan the same for next year. Then the Korčula event, is it also for international? Yeah, it could be
international because it’s not a problem to translate to speak English and German. So far we only had German people, but of course, English-speaking people are always welcome to join, and in the future, we’re thinking of offering it more internationally. We have actually spread the information on different channels, but so far, it’s only German people that have followed. So this beautiful retreat of yours is going to happen again
in June next year, is that correct? Yeah, that’s correct. It’s in the second half of June, actually. I cannot remember the exact dates, but you will find them on my website. So anyone who’s willing to come, you’re welcome. It’s a wonderful place, actually. We have a yoga house there with a really nice practice room. We have a small group, up to 12 people maximum, so very individual and
a very special place. Very beautiful, close to the sea, and being on an island is a different experience. Yeah, that sounds absolutely divine, and I wish I could be there. I hope many of our listeners, or some of our listeners, find an opportunity to explore what you’re offering there and join this beautiful occasion. Because in my experience also, to combine Zhineng Qigong with a beautiful setting is a
completely different experience than just doing it online or in a seminar room. So anybody who is looking for a real time out, these retreats are just beautiful. Great. Well, thank you very much, Luise, for this wonderful conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time, and I look forward to connecting with you in the future. Oh, thank you so much. It was a great honor for me to talk
with you, and I really enjoyed our conversation as well. Thank you so much, Torsten. All the best. We trust you enjoyed this conversation, and we invite you to subscribe to our podcast so we can stay in touch and notify you of future episodes. We will end today’s episode with the Eight Verses Meditation performed by Zhineng Qigong teacher Katrien Hendrickx. Enjoy. To get your free eBook on the Eight
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