Mingjue in Zhineng Qigong is a self aware state that goes beyond all feelings, thoughts and emotions. It is a state of pure consciousness and clear awareness that is both accessible and applicable in daily life. Regina Dell Oro teaches us how to access this almost meditative state and how to apply Mingjue to every situation. When we align with the inner observer through Zhineng Qigong, we develop a stable consciousness state and awaken to our true self.  Mingjue acts as a gateway, connecting our everyday, concept-driven thinking to a more elevated state of pure awareness.

Regina was taught how to access Mingjue by Teacher Wei Qifeng. How to ensure relaxation forms the foundation of the Mingjue practice, allowing Qigong practitioners and students to let go of tension and enter a deeper state of consciousness. Observation follows, where attention is brought to the body and mind without judgment. The third step is concentration, or effortless attention, deepens this observation, contradicting Western notions or reference frameworks of concentration as effortful.

Change naturally occurs as a result of these steps. Emotional regulation becomes possible through the application of Mingjue principles, Regina explains. By letting go of attachments and preconceptions is crucial throughout this process, Regina notes. 

When you are in a state of Mingjue you are in control as choice in reactions is emphasised. Regina also notes that daily life has stressors, and she encourages us to use Qigong and Mingjue in all aspects of one’s life. Regina believes that one’s Qi is preserved and enhanced through Mingjue and Zhineng Qigong, leading to increased energy and joy in daily experiences.

 

Let me take you into the realm of pure consciousness, often referred to as the Mingjue state. My guest today, Regina Dell Oro, explains the steps to get there and how to apply the Mingjue state in your daily life. My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this is the Wisdom Qigong podcast. Thank you again for inviting me. It’s a wonderful opportunity to talk about something that’s very near and dear

to my heart, something I’ve been practicing for a number of years. So, Mingjue is pure consciousness, right? The word Mingjue means clear or pure consciousness. Once you say Mingjue, a lot of people are wondering what we’re talking about, right? And then, when you say pure consciousness, they’re wondering what we’re talking about twice. Because not only the Chinese word, but even the English word doesn’t really convey the full

meaning. We immediately think it is a practice for a select few who have the time, the concentration, and the Hui Gong Fu to experience it. But actually, it’s something not just very accessible for everybody. But it’s very applicable in a very practical way. Mingjue for Dummies. Let’s say we have four practical steps to get into this pure consciousness states. Teacher Wei has talked about the four steps to

get into it. So the first one is relaxation, and that’s really accessible to all of us. It’s actually very important. So it’s really the basic foundation of our entire practice, if you think about it. Because when you relax, you let go of whatever it is that you’re holding on to. If you’re holding on to a contraction, something that makes you contract, like pain. For example, when you feel

pain, The pain itself brings you to a state of contraction. But what you do is, if you relax. If you let go of that contraction, you feel pain less. But not only is it something very useful for when we have a situation like pain, it’s also very useful to enter into deeper states of consciousness. It’s actually the gateway to a deeper concentration, to a deeper state of consciousness.

The first thing to do for us, is to just breathe and relax. If you have a hard time relaxing, begin by relaxing every part of your body, noticing your head. Just relax, and then go through every part of your body and just relax. Give yourself time to go into a state of relaxation. So that’s the first step. The second step is observation. Observation is the magic word that

will bring us into the state of mind. By observation, we just mean that we close our eyes, and we bring our attention to first our body. If we go and relax our brain, our head space, and everything that’s in the head. Then our observation follows. So once we relax. We observe, and by observing. We notice what’s going on in that space. Something very interesting begins to happen when

you practice observation. And that is that you give yourself space between whatever it is that you’re observing and the act of observation. By giving yourself that little bit of space, a little bit of time between your own state and the observation, the state that you’re in changes. Let’s say that you are suddenly afraid or that you’re suddenly angry. Let’s say you’re driving on the street, and somebody cuts

you off. Immediately, there’s fear and anger, right? But if you take a deep breath, relax, and just observe, you’ll first notice that you’re safe. Secondly, you’ll become aware of your own reaction. You observe your reaction, you observe your body and what’s happening. Suddenly, you’re in control, whereas before, you weren’t in control when you were caught up in the emotional reaction. Suddenly, by applying the technique of just observing,

you’re in a state of calm and you’re in a state of control. Observation is the second step to entering into a deeper state of Mingjue. Now, let me ask some clarifying questions here. Because I think the whole relaxation is, for everybody, easy to understand. But some people might still find it difficult to get into a state of complete relaxation, but this is a question of practice. I don’t

think there’s much one could be unsure about. Now, when we talk about observation. I think there’s an important thing to be aware of, and that is observation implies no judgment. If that is correct to say, because that is something that usually our mind would do immediately. Now, in your example of the driving and somebody cuts you off. I’m sure there’s a judgment in your mind about that other

driver. It’s not just you being scared or angry. There’s a judgment involved. And when there’s a judgment, there is no observation possible. Then the observation is clouded. So I think this is something to be aware of—that observation implies no judgment. When we practice observation, at least that’s my experience. And you have to correct me here because you are the expert when it comes to Mingjue. For me, this

is an important thing to keep in mind and to be aware of. When we practice observation, that we notice if judgment kicks in. Because then we know we’re not there. Am I talking rubbish here? Because I don’t want to say anything that doesn’t fit. No, actually, that’s the question. Really important point. It is exactly right. What begins to happen when you observe is the suspension of judgment. Means

that we put our rational mind in stock for a minute. So our actual thoughts, you know. That we use in everyday life because it’s necessary. The framework that we have to put everything together and to navigate the day. The daylight mode of being is put on hold for a second. For a second, it really doesn’t matter whether the other driver was in the right or in the wrong.

Whether the other driver put everybody in jeopardy. Really there’s nothing matters about your reaction at that moment. You go behind the rational mind and you simply look. You just take. You’re just looking. Let’s say, for example, that this is a very important question and an important skill. Let’s say, for example, that you have an apple in front of you. An object, any object. Let’s imagine an apple just

for the sake of whatever, right? You see an apple and you have many ways of being in front of the apple. One of them is if you’re hungry, you probably want to take a bite of the apple, right? Another one is to use your judgment. What does it look like? What shape is it? How big is it? How much is it, right? Is it ripe? Is it ready

to be eaten or not? And all of these are the ways in which we approach every single thing that we encounter. Every single thing goes through our rational mind, and we make judgments about it. But when you observe the apple, let’s say you’re an artist and you just want to capture what you’re looking at, then you put aside all of the judgments about the size, the shape, the

color, everything that we know about the apple, and just look at it. You just look at it in order to capture it in a painting, or in a photograph, or whatever. If you go into that kind of an exercise of just observing, noticing what we do in everyday life, and then taking a step back. And just observe, you get a little bit closer to the state of Mingjue.

Because what you pointed out is very important. I think it’s a great example. When you talk about the apple, I totally get what you’re saying. If I put myself in the shoes of an artist who wants to paint it, I will not look at the apple thinking, what class is it? Or I want to bite into it. I will really observe the apple in order to capture it

fully and then to project it onto my drawing or painting or something like that. So I think this makes it very clear for me what observation really means. So that’s perfect. I think that was step two. We are having four steps, so maybe we should take it to the third step. So this third step is just going deeper into the first two steps. So it’s called concentration. This

step makes people go crazy. I know this is the one that really used to make me think, “Oh, I’ll never be able to do this concentration. I have so many thoughts. I’ll never be able to concentrate.” It just means that you relax more and that you go deeper into observation, is all it means. So when you notice that you can come to the state of observation, just relax

more, and notice. Go deeper into the observation mode and just notice deeper. It sounds very easy, and it actually is much easier than we think because the. The first thought is, I have so many distracting thoughts. What can I do about that? I will never be able to do this because my mind is too loud, my thoughts are too loud. But actually, it’s something that we can all

do. We actually don’t need to go to the mountaintop and get away from the everyday world to go into it. All we have to do is relax more. If we go back to the example of the apple, if you’re an artist or you’re a photographer or a painter, then getting into the state and noticing it deeper gets you into more detail of where is the light. Noticing the

light, noticing the shades of color, and noticing the solidity of it. How to convey that. It’s pretty much the same thing when we talk about concentration. So let’s say that you apply the example of the apple to yourself and you go into observing your own body. You go into, let’s say, you begin to observe the head space. And you begin to just relax and feel the relaxation. For

example, in the area of the brains. You begin to observe the area of the brain, then you relax more, and you begin to really imagine and visualize in greater detail every aspect of the brain. The color, the shape. All of your mind is there. That’s what we mean by concentration. We have a secret that not many people know about. So over the past year we’ve worked on an

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concentration in many cultures has very different angles to it. Many people associate, actually, tension with concentration because it’s like applying force to something. I think the word concentration doesn’t necessarily 100% reflect what you describe. I think this could be the reason why many people struggle with this concept. Maybe the word as such concentration isn’t totally ideal for what’s actually going on. Because what you describe is more giving

something full attention. When you get your observation and then you just expand on this observation, you give the full attention, you go deeper. But it’s not. At least that’s how I understand it. It’s not an effort of strength, of forcing yourself to do something because that is the opposite of relaxation. So it can’t be that. I think the word concentration for many people, like if I remember when

I went to school. I had to concentrate, it means I was sitting there like this and trying so hard. That’s the opposite of what we actually want. I think one of the problems why people struggle with it could be the language. Maybe the word in Chinese doesn’t fully find its equivalent in the English language, and that is why we, why some people find this concept so difficult. While

it’s really nothing else than giving it all of who you are at that moment. So when you say you observe your inner headspace, or something like that, you’re giving it all of who you are. All of who you are is in this observation. This is a description that comes. You just immerse yourself fully now. But that doesn’t mean an effort, it’s just going all the way. It’s a

very important point. It’s actually the most important point so far because I think you’re right. In our Western culture, in the West, the history of the West has developed the concept of rationality to the highest level. Right? I’m sure it’s not exclusive to the West. I’m just talking to what I know. Every time we use words, immediately our rationality picks it up. The word concentration, I think, first

of all, the distinction that you made between effort and effortlessness is absolutely crucial. Because this exercise is not an exercise in efforts, but it is an exercise in effortlessness. It’s probably one of the reasons we struggle with it, because we don’t understand what that means. Right. Everything is for us a matter of willpower and taking steps to achieve our goal. Right. And the more the willpower, the greater

the possibility of achieving our goal. But we need to forget all of that right now because it’s the exact opposite. So as you said very correctly, relaxation is the exact opposite of trying to. So when we say concentration, think about when they sell juices that are concentrated. So, orange juice. The concentrate of orange juice, it doesn’t mean that the orange juice tried harder. It just means that there’s

more of the essence of the orange juice and a smaller portion of it here. Yes. So, when we say concentration, we mean more of relaxation and observation. That is a very important point for people to get, and it’s not just within the Mingjue state. I hear so often that people say, “I’m trying so hard with Qigong to get healthy and so on, and I’m really giving it all,

and it’s just not working.” Then my instinct would say, “Well, that is the very reason why it’s not working.” You’re trying so hard. The essence of Qigong is relaxation, and to get the energy back flowing, and you can’t get there if you’re tense and if you’re trying and forcing. That is not the purpose. I’m glad you mentioned this so that people understand what concentration actually means and don’t

mix it up with our Western idea of what it needs to be successful. Great willpower, follow-through, and all of these things until you can hardly breathe anymore. That is the opposite of what we are talking about these days, right? Exactly. When you’re in concentration, just think of the orange juice, more of the essence of good relaxation and observation. Your observation just becomes sharper and sharper, but not because

you want it to, not because you’re forcing it, but because you’re actually relaxing more. If in Zhineng Qigong you’re getting nowhere with your practice, just relax and stop trying. The magic word in Zhineng Qigong, I think, is this effortless movement, effortless observation. When you think about a baby, you think about what we are at our core before we get socialized. Babies just observe because they kind of have

to, right? They kind of have to figure out how the world works, and they just observe. They observe the parents, they observe the sound, the facial reactions. Everything is done in this state of just looking. If we could get back to that state, we could get into this magical Mingjue state. This brings us to the last step, which is really not a step at all, but it’s kind

of the result of what we’ve done, and that is transformation. So, when you just relax and observe and observe deeper, you will notice that things begin to shift on their own. For healing, for example, let’s say that you have an ulcer because you tend to be a person that’s very tense. So we invite you to just relax. Go to the space of your stomach that feels painful, just

observe it, and just go deeper in your relaxation. Go deeper in your observation. Very soon, you begin to notice how that space that’s contracted begins to relax more. And actually, it begins to change, it begins to transform. That space begins to flow. So, this practice is a very important practice. It’s actually a really delicious practice. I think it’s the place we want to go to before we start

our day. Because if you practice this at the very beginning of the day, you allow yourself a moment to just come to the state of not trying, not struggling, but just being with yourself. Just observing yourself, just being. Then you can face your day in a very comfortable, peaceful state. It’s much more difficult to get trapped into these little games that we play during the day, that really

get us to spend our energy in silly ways. We can use our energy in a much more effective way if we practice these four little steps or this very esoteric Mingjue state. It is really very accessible and it has really practical applications. I would like to just add one more question because I’m sure that’s going to be on many people’s mind. That is a question because fundamentally what

we’re talking about is observation. The relaxation is really just a state to get us into a possibility to be able to observe. And then we deepen this observation, which you call concentration, and then the transformation happens. Now, the question that many people will have is, “How come observation leads to transformation?” Is that something you could explore a little more. Because we would like to know how come? Okay,

so this is a very good question. It sounds really puzzling, right? How can observation lead to transformation? Well, if you begin to let go of the rational mind. This is kind of goes back to what we were talking about before, right? The word concentration evokes so many things in our rational mind. What begins to happen is that the mind, is the rational mind. The tool that we use

during the day to go about our business navigating the daylight reality is very powerful. But many of those things are just tools. The rational mind creates tools and then forgets that they are just tools. And then we get trapped in the tool itself. This begins to create all kinds of states that develop into stress, into tension, which then develops into blockages and perhaps even disease. The word disease

means that we’re not at ease, right? So observation leads to transformation because we turn disease into ease, into just allowing things to be. When you have ease, you also have flow. Imagine a blockage like, imagine a river or a brook, right? When you put something in the middle, it blocks the flow. But if you lift it, you allow the flow to just happen. And once the flow happens,

you have actually essentially created transformation. So the same in your body, if there is disease. All we need to do is lift the blockage and turn it back into ease. So, is it really that simple? Maybe. I think it absolutely could be. But I’ve asked this question not because I doubt that observation leads to transformation. I’ve asked it because, for me, this is a fundamental way of how

I live my life. Because no matter what I observe, it always transforms. For example, if I’ve got a scary thing ahead of me, something that I’m worried about. If I allow myself to observe that, the whole thing will shift by itself. So, any negative emotions also, for me, just by observing them, will automatically transform them. So, this is an experience I’ve had many, many times in my life,

and I’m having on a daily basis. But I’m asking you just because observation is so important when it comes to reaching the Mingjue state. And also, I would like to add that we know from quantum physics. This is one of the great wonders in physics these days. If you look at quantum physics, we know that particles change their behavior once they are observed. I don’t know whether you’ve

ever looked into quantum physics, Regina, and I don’t want to put you on the hotspot here. In quantum physics there are incredible experiments where things change the moment they are observed. So observation has an impact. Science and physics doesn’t know exactly how to explain it and why that is. Observation plays a crucial role in our existence also from a scientific point of view of physics and quantum physics.

Just wanted to throw that in for those listeners who are familiar with quantum physics so they’ve got something to relate to and say, “Oh yeah, that’s true.” Observation also is so important in quantum physics. So maybe there is also a link here to what we are doing when we are reaching the Mingjue state. You know, that’s very useful. I am not a scientist by trade so I’m not

really aware of quantum physics, but I know just very generally that. A lot of my friends who are scientists are finding that Zhineng Qigong is so compatible with the latest developments in physics. I did not know that particles change when we observe them. But from a layman’s point of view, it could be that our observation is letting go of our grasping. When, for example, you grasp onto something.

It has a certain quality and when you let go, you change the dynamic. Observation changes the dynamic with you between you and whatever it is that you are observing. It changes it by not attaching to it. And the non attachment allows things to be what they are and they enter into balance on their own. I think there might be even a scientific law that says that the universe

kind of enters into balance on its own. We don’t really have to go think about this. Do you think about your heart beating? Oh, you really don’t? Not unless you’re really going uphill and you’re suddenly going, “Oh my God, my heart is beating so fast.” Generally, you don’t think about your heart beating, and you don’t cause your heart to beat. It beats on its own. You don’t really

think about breathing all day long. You just breathe naturally. Your body is in a state of wanting to continue being alive on its own. And without too much messing with it, it tends to be alive and stay alive. That’s how it’s wired. How does it come to be different? Well, because our rational minds begin to try to mess with our body. “Oh, look, I could be better if

I did this, or it could be faster if I did that.” That’s how we begin to shorten our lives and mess with the natural equilibrium. Maybe that’s why particles change when they are observed, because we stop messing with perfection. The universe in itself tends to harmony and balance. Once we allow ourselves to just observe that harmony and balance, very often it is just restored on its own. I

would like to go one step further now, because when we started, you said that the Mingjue is both accessible and applicable. Application obviously is very interesting. Say I’ve followed the four steps and I’ve actually reached this stage. How do I apply this in daily life? Well, that’s a great question. It’s a great question because it’s really what will just open the key to transforming our lives. Think about

what we’ve just talked about. Observation. Let’s say that you’re driving and a driver cuts you off. This is a very common experience. We both go into fear, anger, and judgment, right? Or the judgment comes after the reaction of fear and anger. Then you say, “Of course, I’m angry because this person broke the law, and is making everybody be in danger, and creates a situation of chaos.” So I’m

justified in being angry at this person. What if, before all of that happened, you went into the habit of observing? So every day in your everyday life, every single step of your day, you apply this rule of observation and relaxation. When you go into this immediate mode of fear reaction, and anger reaction, take a deep breath. Relax and just observe your body. Observe the fear, observe the anger.

What begins to happen is that you put it in perspective. Suddenly you realize you don’t need to engage in the anger. And guess what? Suddenly you have so much more energy in your day. Because there is a sense in which you can choose to no longer be engaged in this anger. Think about it. Should I really spend my day being angry and thinking about this person who cut

me off, or can I just let it go? If I let it go, I notice that all the energy that would have gone into, and all the time that would have gone into, being angry at this person. Which is going to lead nowhere. It really is something you will forget in five years. You won’t even remember it. But yet you used up your precious energy, your precious life

force into something that’s absolutely unimportant. So for me, it’s magic because I stopped engaging in a lot of emotion that was useless. Then you begin to choose and say, “I really don’t want to spend my precious life and life force engaging and attaching in things that are absolutely irrelevant to my life.” That’s simple. Once it becomes a habit in your life, you have so much more energy, so

much more joy. If you choose to be happy and be filled with energy, you can do that because you can direct your life force in a different direction. Isn’t that wonderful? That is wonderful. I wonder whether we can take this even one step further, because the example we are talking about now is quite mundane. It’s something, as you said, that’s not really important in your life. You will

have forgotten about this incident of the driver, but for most of us, we have something which is important in our life. For example, that I’m getting all upset about my boss at work, or this colleague that is just always making my life so difficult, or the family member that I’m fighting with. Or the neighbor. Or a fear that I have about losing my job. Or a health concern.

All of these things, are not mundane, are important to my life. But still, using the Mingjue method, I now have something that will put things into a completely different perspective. And will give me a different way of handling these things without losing my power, without losing my energy, without clouding my day, without taking away the. My joy in life. I think we can, we should take this one

step further now. And say, “Okay, how does it apply in these important areas of my life?” Where I initially think this is a question of life and death, right? Literally. Because often we are over exaggerating because we’re getting emotional about it, but it feels like it in this moment. And this is why we put so much importance into it. How can we? Well, I don’t want to say,

how can we? Because you’ve explained how we can do it. But I think that’s important for us to know, this is not just for the odd driver we don’t know that cut us off. It is really for all these things that run our daily life, that make us keep thinking over and over and over again, and drain our energy. And create all… these emotions that are so uncomfortable.

I think these are the areas where the Mingjue state really adds the value. Right? So this is an art. We have to face many situations in our life, some which are very mundane and some which are very serious, even critical. But, let’s take two examples. One is the example of your family, your family members and how you engage with them. So it’s very different when you have the

power of observation and you don’t engage immediately. You change the dynamic instantly, right? You change it instantly. For example, if you’re in a family fight, I talked about this in the other podcast we did. I looked for Qigong because I needed peace. Because I had a beagle, a son with autism, and was surrounded by men. So it was really crazy. How do you handle the beagle, and the

child with autism, and the husband who’s ready to go to work, and your other son that’s throwing a ball and playing football inside the house? How do you do that? Well, one at a time. You begin to relate to them in a different way, because it’s very different. If somebody assaults your field with an emergency, it’s a very different reaction to be engaged in this emergency. Red alert,

red alert. You must react immediately, or else everything will come apart, and you get sucked into that. Then your reaction will not be as efficient as it would be if you were to engage with it through observation. If somebody comes at you with a red alert, for example, your beagle is about to eat your son’s food, take a moment, observe. Before you go into the emotional, don’t do

that. You go into observation. There’s very often easy solutions that will prevent escalation. Observation as opposed to escalation is really a very useful tool. Is it going to solve every single problem? Let’s say that people listening to this podcast have a very serious situation at home. I’m not sure. Your common sense will always come first, right? You need to take the action you need to take in order

to be safe. What we are saying is, in every normal circumstance, the act of observing will yield the same results that it did, while you’re in the street being cut off. Before you go into reaction mode, the reactive mode that takes so much of your energy, very often will lead to making the wrong decisions, because you’re doing them while you’re being attached to something. If you simply observe

and let go of all the attachments to outcome, to everything, and just simply relax and observe, very often the solution comes on its own. There are so many times that you project things to another person because you’re so attached, and the other person really meant nothing of what you think they meant. Right. It was only your projection. So staying quiet for a second and observing very often is

very effective in preventing escalation, also preserving your precious energy and life force. Yes. So when you need to act, you can act in an efficient way and with the energy that you need to exert to create the change that you would like. So for me, it’s absolutely a crucial tool to have as you go about your day. The escalation you’re talking about is not just happening on the

factual level. It’s also happening on an emotional level and on a draining your energy level. That is where most of the drama happens. Most of the drama doesn’t happen in real life. Most of the drama happens within us. It’s an inside job that we keep creating because we get so worked up about everything. The Mingjue state is a way to stop that. We all know that at the

end of the day, we don’t know whether the Mingjue state can resolve all of people’s problems. But we also have to admit that we don’t know what the solution to a problem actually is Because very often something that we think is a huge problem or a big catastrophe in our life turns out, in retrospect, to have been a really good thing. And it made us change something in

our life that turns our lives to the better. So it is very difficult to judge what is a resolution of a problem, because often what we think it is. I’m always reminded in the situations of Master Jianshe, who we both adore. He always says no matter what happens, it’s also good. Yes, things work out different than he expected, but it’s also good. Then we just adapt to it

and work with whatever new results there are in our lives, and we move on from there. But we don’t create all the drama. You’ve mentioned a couple of times the energy we are losing, and we feel empty, and we feel finished and helpless and all of that. There is no need for that. We can stay completely in our power with a smile on our face, enjoying the beauty

of life, and just move on. I mean, life does whatever life does to us. Yeah. It’s not within our control anyway, so here we are, right? I think one of the beautiful and very practical applications… I was thinking of people who are in school studying. The higher the schooling, the more the pressure. If people are in medical school, in law school, in science, in physics, mathematics, or if

they’re just in university, there’s a lot of pressure that is being put on students from the outside. Yes. But if people were to realize students among them. I just think of students because my son just finished law school, and it was a real ordeal because a lot of pressure is being put on the outside. Unfortunately we’re buying into this thing that we think that, “Oh, the more pressure

we put on ourselves, the better we will perform.” It’s actually the opposite. If you sit back and notice, you realize that a lot of that pressure is actually unnecessary. All you have to do is really is use one of our steps, Concentration. We have to focus, but in order to focus instead of stressing, we have to relax and let go. As we were speaking, the image came to

my mind. When I was a little girl. The first time I discovered my shadow it was so interesting, because I actually thought it was another person following me as a child. Then I turned around and when you turn around to look at your shadow, the shadow gets bigger. So, you have a big person following you everywhere. How scary is that, right? Especially if you’re a little paranoid, it’s

really scary. What happens if you start to observe and play with that shadow? You notice that if you turn, the shadow shrinks. And if you turn more, it completely disappears. It’s kind of like what we’re doing right now. If, instead of going into the fear mode of, “Oh my God, there’s somebody following me everywhere, and it’s a very big, ugly, dark presence,” guess what? It isn’t. It’s just

you. It’s a shadow that the light creates when you move a certain way. How do you get rid of that fear? By observation. You notice it isn’t really a big, dark person following you everywhere. It’s actually your own shadow and if you turn a certain way it disappears. And if you turn another way, it gets to be your own size or smaller. So instead of this huge, scary

presence that follows you, it’s of something very playful. You can play with it. So, as a child, I actually have a friend that shrinks in size or gets bigger, and I can play with it. The same thing. That’s a very sweet example, I must say. All right, Regina, have we missed anything? We wanted to make a miniature for dummies. Have we missed anything that you think is important

to give the… people. On the way before we wrap things up here? I don’t think we missed anything. I think that if we think we did, we just have to relax and observe. Very good idea. I think that is all we have to do, really. Well, thank you very much for putting the effort into thinking about how we can best explain the Mingjue . I think you did

extremely well. It makes total sense to me. I hope that everybody listening now, the next time the Mingjue state comes up, will know what we are talking about. I also hope that many of them got inspired to practice Mingjue more, for themselves and to use it in daily life. We trust you enjoyed this conversation, and we invite you to subscribe to our podcast so we can stay in

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