David Ho’s life took an unexpected turn when he was faced with a health crisis, after collapsing and blacked out on a bathroom floor. Doctors told him that it was just because he was ill, but David doubted the diagnosis. He started noticing an eye floater and it was revealed that he had macular degeneration. In today’s Qigong podcast, we explore how an incurable eye disease, according to western medicine, was completely healed by consistent and disciplined Zhineng Qigong practice.

A diagnosis like this is always alarming, though David began to seek alternative methods to heal eye disease, motivated by an intention and desire to regain his eye health and improve his vision. The Qigong practice became central to David’s recovery to improve his eye sight naturally. He practiced Qigong for his eye health, with Zhineng Qigong exercises like “Lift Qi Up” and “Pour Qi Down,” and Three Centers Merge which helped him focus on restoring his ocular health. He visited his optician for follow-up scans & revealed a remarkable recovery in his vision. This recovery highlighted the power of intention and discipline in achieving health goals in Zhineng Qigong.

Using Qigong for eye health, David enhanced his eye care to maintain healthy vision. A Qigong practitioner himself he now teaches people how to empower their own well being and is focused on Qigong for improved eyesight. Highlighting that a positive mindset is essential for healing. Changing information from the diagnosis is a crucial concept of Zhineng Qigong the idea that one can change the information in their body through consistent practice and clear intention. David teaches many people, with Zhineng Qigong,  to reclaim control over their health and lead a balanced life.

Coming from an engineering background and being well-known for his logical mind, David Ho’s world was turned upside down when he found himself lying on the bathroom floor of his hotel room and later being diagnosed with macular degeneration. Exploring a new world of energy healing, he repaired his vision and got his life back on track. Here is what he has to share. My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this

is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast. David is a Zhineng Qigong teacher based in England. He offers trainings person to person, but also on Zoom, which can be very exciting because his specialty is actually the eye and the health of the eye. And you’ve got a story to tell. So I think, David, you should just jump in and let us know about yourself and your story with Zhineng Qigong, please.

Life was busy as it is with everybody else. I thought I was perfectly healthy. I’d been a runner most of my life. And I go back to there’s an event in 2016 that was a bit of a watershed moment for me. As I said, I’d been very healthy. I thought I’d spent most of my working life living away from home during the week. So this week commuting stuff

and the week before something happened. I thought I’d go for a run one evening and did 10 miles. So about 16k wasn’t fast, but, you know, at your age, that’s okay. And then this evening I just, I woke up and found myself on the bathroom floor in a hotel, not feeling pretty well, to be perfectly honest. And then I was a bit ill, and it didn’t really improve

to the point I ended up going home the next day, and a friend’s wife was a consultant who heard about it, talked about the symptoms, and asked my wife to ring for an ambulance, basically. So I ended up in intensive care for two weeks, and my blood sodium level had dropped to a critical level. The unbeknownst to me, the consultant said to my wife, “Well, either brain damage

or he’ll die.” But somehow I chose a different option, and that came through. At the end of it, they kind of went, “You’re fine now, you’re discharged,” and I went, “Okay, so what caused it?” I nodded a little bit. Oh, well, you know, you were, you were sick and then, you know, violently sick. So that would have reduced your blood salts. And I thought, even in my muddled

state, that didn’t work for my process head because I was rather ill after I found myself on the floor. So there was a question of doubt going on in my head. And then I, as a result of this being in hospital, developed a problem in my right eye. When I came out, I kind of had like a watermark in my right eye, which is pretty irritating and made

it really difficult. You couldn’t really drive at night because any car headlight was a big flare going on. So when I went to see my optician for what is usually an annual eye check, he said, “Okay, you’ve got macular degeneration in your right eye.” So what does that involve? Okay, well, the back end of your eye, the layers kind of all puffed up. So the macula, which is

like a dip down, a focal point through your eye, that’s now become quite fat. It’s not precise in which compare the two eyes. The left one’s really clear, the right one’s not so clever. I said, “Okay, and so what’s that mean?” Well, he said, “Well, it’s dry, so it’s good because it’s not critical.” But you should really keep an eye on how your eye progresses. So he said,

“Right now, you can probably still see straight lines, and if you print out a grid, you can see the lines.” He says, “In time, it’ll fade, become kind of bit wiggly, and then over time, you’ll just get worse, and your vision will start contracting. Not much you can worry about because that’s the way it is.” And believe it or not, macular degeneration is very common as you get

older. And I guess I was in my early 50s at the time, so more from sort of the 70s, 80s onwards. I mean, it’s basically when I’ve looked it up, by the time you get to your 90s, it’s kind of like 1 in 3 or 1 in 5 will have it. That’s just a bit premature and not very helpful, you know, if you want to use your sight

for stuff. So I kind of thought, I don’t really want this in the meantime, for a number of reasons. I wanted to try and find a different practice from running because I was trying to give up running now. And I remembered my mother used to do Tai Chi when I was very young, and actually, when she got a bit older, well, that kind of looked like some kind

of movement. And family-wise, I’m originally from Hong Kong, about 50 years ago now. But you know, so that whole Asian culture has some resonance, although I’ve never been very close to it. And we went around looking for somewhere to learn Tai Chi or Qigong. My wife said, “Actually, Qigong sounds really interesting, from what she knows.” So she’s into similar sort of energy healing, they do bioresonance, and we

tried to find someone locally, but weren’t terribly successful. There was somebody that purported to do Tai Chi, and she got there and basically did one movement, and there was lots of Tai Chi and stuff. So it really wasn’t our bag. So I ended up learning some stuff online, and of course, the Internet being what it is, you can get a cornucopia of useful stuff out there. But I

just felt I wanted to do it with people, just get some interaction and get some feedback. So after much ado, we were first introduced to a person, to another person, and I eventually ended up talking to Britta. And as I said, it’s that, that’s where the story really began. So having done some Body and Mind, I think originally it was called Body and Mind, one of the workshops

online, it really resonated with me and I liked the practice. So I was still in this sort of practice, do stuff and then worry about anything else. So I was much more interested in just the exercise to start with because I feel, David, I would challenge you when you say this is really where the story began. Because if I listened, when I listened to you, the story began

earlier in my mind when the doctor said to you, “Well, there’s nothing we can do.” And you, in your typical British understatement, said, “Well, I don’t really want that.” I think this is already a Qigong state to transform information to say, “I don’t accept this information.” And I think this is probably where the journey started. And then you found Britta and the Zhineng Qigong online course, and you

found a tool to turn this into a reality. So I just thought I’d mention this because I think it’s very important for people, for listeners to understand that this is the first step — not to accept the information, the negative information, but to say, “Okay, that might be what doctors are telling me or the people in my life are telling me, but it’s not my part, it’s not

what I want for me.” So sorry for the interruption, but yeah, go on, please. I stand corrected. And you’re quite right, Torsten. So I’m reminded of one of my appraisals when I was in the military, which said, “David is quite petulant, actually.” I think petulance, in the right context, can be really helpful. So we are taught things or led to believe stuff, which doesn’t necessarily really ring true.

It is entirely dependent on the frame of reference. So, as we describe it, like the context of how we see the world. And we may not have to, we don’t have to agree with everything we’re told, especially if it’s something relating to, you know, your own health and well-being. Because there’s only one person that it deeply affects, and that’s the person in the mirror, you know. Everybody else,

it’s just okay, it’s useful. I mean, what we’ve learned in this journey is having diagnoses from various things. It’s great, actually. It just tells me what I can work on, and that’s a good way of positioning yourself in life and not the defeatist attitude, which is a term that comes to my mind, but that’s probably not really the right way to allow the negative to rule your life,

because it doesn’t have to be that way. And to go back to the story with this energy Gong, I really got into the habit of practicing. And as you may well realize, having a disciplined background, actually doing things in a disciplined way comes relatively easy to me. I just changed my schedule, so I started to get up at five in the morning to do an hour or two

of Qigong every day. So, roundabout just before COVID time, my eye scanned in. My right eye said I’d lost about 40% of the peripheral vision. And with the blessing of COVID, we did lots of training online and practice. Two years later, I went back for my scan. It was back to 100%. So, you know, lots of people would say, “Oh well, that couldn’t happen.” Maybe not for somebody

else, but it has. And so important, because we come across so many other people who, when you get your mindset correct and work on what you need to work on, having understood some basic principles, amazing recoveries happen. o, you know, in short, I think that’s been a real gift, understanding this. But the starting point is to not necessarily believe everything we’re led to believe and look to change

things. If your intention is clear, strange things really happen, which I guess we come across quite a few times. Right? We have a way you can discover Qigong. So, at the Zhineng Qigong Students Hub, we know that understanding Qigong is very important and also that Zhineng Qigong in itself has various nuances that people can’t easily comprehend. So, we’ve approached it in the style of a video game. On

this page, “Discover Qigong,” you can select your character. So, you can either be a beginner, a practitioner, a holistic healer, or a self-healer. And you click on your character, and it takes you to these different sections. In these sections, you can explore the nuances, and when you click on a card, all of the Qi sources pop up. And we’ve made it really fun, and not many people know

about it. So, if you are interested, have a look and discover Qigong. That is the point I wanted to make, taking the words out of my mouth here, because usually when we listen to a story like this, that you’ve recovered from 40% to 100%, people say, “Wow, this is like a miracle.” But it doesn’t happen very often. Now, the truth is that in our environment, if we meet

other Qigong practitioners, many of them have stories like this to tell, so it’s not so uncommon. It happens a lot, and there’s a reason why it happens. And I think one of the reasons, I’m not saying it’s the only one, but one of the reasons that you pointed out, is the discipline in your practice, because so many people, they look at their daily schedule and say it’s impossible

to practice two hours or three hours. How would I do this? And you said, “Oh, I simply look at my schedule and change things around.” And I got up earlier, and there were my two hours of practice, or I don’t know how long you did practice in the morning. But this obviously makes a difference, because that is the idea of Zhineng Qigong, that you use these tools, but

you do have to practice because otherwise not much is happening unless your consciousness is extremely evolved and you can just do it through your consciousness. But I think this is an important point. Why? It’s not just about listening to this podcast and saying, “Well, I wish that would happen to me as well.” You have to be very active to achieve that. And so, I think it’s important to

look into this a little bit more in detail, maybe to explain to people, “What have you done? What was your mindset at the time? How did you experience things?” so that people have a route that could inspire them. They don’t have to take the same route, but it can be inspiring and give them ideas of how they can deal with their challenges. Yeah, I mean, the way I

kind of looked at it is, you know, it’s taken a lifetime to get me to this precarious spot. So, you know, we talk about, imagine — imagine I was a barrel of Qi. Let’s say, you know, you’re born with so much, and it’s been dribbling away for most of my life, and I’ve done stuff that depletes it. It’s really unreasonable to think you’re going to change that overnight.

So, logically, in my head, it’s okay. I now understand some of my three Dantian. They’re clearly depleted because things have gone wrong. So, the first step is you have to practice to top it up and lift it up. Portugal is a fantastic practice and three centers merge. So, I basically did that for two years. So, I’d get up in the morning when it was nice and quiet, out

of the way, and it didn’t really matter if I was in a hotel somewhere or back at home, I could do that and spend that time. Everything’s totally quiet. It’s easier for me anyway, first thing in the morning, because all your thinking stuff has gone quiet from the night before and hasn’t started up again. It’s easy to concentrate, and if your mind drifts off a bit, that’s fine,

you’ll come back. But don’t be harsh on yourself and just do the practice. Spend the time focusing inside yourself, as opposed to worrying about anything that’s happening around you.. And just the whole giving yourself permission to spend time on yourself, I think, for me, made a huge difference. And it was really, if I think about it now, really basic, very, you know, almost mechanistic, but with the intention

of doing something about my condition. And that really helped. So, you know, getting up early worked for me. So I basically did about an hour, maybe a bit more in the morning, and then got into the humdrum of the day. And then in the evening, I mean, after a while, I learned Body and Mind, which I really liked. So in the evening, I’d do Body and Mind. And

that’s actually still pretty much my routine. I do some stuff in the evening, I do Body and Mind. But it’s just, it’s developing a new habit — the same habit as you have when you brush your teeth, comb your hair, or whatever it is. It just becomes normal and natural. And that helps you develop this habit of A, I am spending time on myself; B, I’m connecting to

all my parts, I’m making my intention come true. But then it’s just enhancing your ability to learn because when you first do practice, you know, it’s kind of a bit mechanical. I just do stuff, and you know, I’ve never really… I’ve never forced myself to be sensitive. You know, when my wife talked about Qi and stuff, and you know, gathering… years ago, a couple, well, I didn’t feel

anything. I didn’t really get it. But actually, sadly, with practice, when I now no longer have to think about the mechanics, I suddenly realize, well, actually, I feel all the things happening. I can feel something pulsating between my hands. And you know, if you do La Qi and send it into your eyes, that’s that lovely feeling. As a result, it all the way through only comes with practice.

And you don’t have to start believing everything, but when you start to feel it, in my case, it’s hard not to believe that something’s happening. And that’s the real big change. Right? Because I can demonstrate to myself that something that is outside my norm could actually be quite normal. So when I want to do introduction sessions with people, we always start quite early on with an exercise to

demonstrate the power of your conscious mind to shape your hand. And it’s going to 80% of people don’t. I’ve done it successfully, and it’s a very important data point that says, you know what? Hey, I could do something like this. Because we all can. The great shame is we all can, but so few people have had the opportunity to understand that and experience it. Because it doesn’t have

to be just energy gong. It could be whatever, Reiki, whatever. Some people will benefit from that if we learn how to make use of the teachings that have been around for thousands of years, when life was a bit simpler. Life is clearly very complicated today, but it doesn’t mean you can’t stop for a moment to look after yourself. I think that’s an important point that you’re making there

when you mentioned it’s been around for thousands of years, or the ideas have been around for thousands of years. So this is not something that somebody suddenly came up with. Yes, it has been refined and it’s now, you know, obviously at a higher level than maybe it used to be. But it’s been successful for thousands of years. That is the reason why it’s still around. If it had

never worked, you know, it wouldn’t be there. So I think this is in itself a very logical idea to understand. And then when you explained that, the moment it really hits you is when you start to feel things. When you start, okay, well, there is something that feels like Qi. There is something moving. That is when the trust comes in. So you’re not necessarily asking people to believe

in something they haven’t experienced. Everybody has an opportunity to get their own experience. And then they say, wow, if I can feel that, well, maybe what else is possible? But in addition to that, I want to go back a little further to something else you said, because I think it could be key to many people. Because the question is, practicing two hours in the morning and one hour

in the evening, what is my mindset when I’m doing that? Is it like, “I have to do this,” or do I feel like, “Oh my God, now I have to do my exercise”? Or is my mindset, as you said, “Okay, I realize I am important, and I spend this time on myself because I matter”? This gives the whole training and the whole discipline a completely different context and

feel. Because you’re not doing it because you have to; it’s really because you value who you are, your health, and everything about you. I think this is so powerful because it sends a message to the unconscious mind, which actually does all the healing. The conscious mind initiates it, but the unconscious mind is responsible for carrying out the bodily functions that create the healing. So, the unconscious mind at

some point has to understand that I am important, and my health matters. And if you get that across, the unconscious mind will say, “Wow, this guy is serious. I’d better do my job and create my health.” Right? If you don’t have this mindset, and it feels like a must-do because some teacher told you, the unconscious mind will think, “What the heck?” But to be in a state of,

“Okay, this is for me, this is about my time,” is so difficult for many people because they don’t value themselves. But I think that could also have made a key difference in your success and why you’re sitting in front of me today, healthy and happy, with all the beautiful things that you’re doing in your life. So that’s why I thought I’d come back to this. I’m sorry for

jumping in. I didn’t want to miss that point because you said it so nicely. And I want to make sure our listeners hear that message. Right? Yeah. You know, like anybody else, I have good days and bad days. There are some days when it’s really easy to practice, and there are some days when I’m just not sure I can be bothered. But what I have found is that,

actually, on the days when you can’t be bothered, if you straighten yourself up and do a practice, it makes a huge difference. It’s funny, quite obvious really in some respects. If I’m depleted, my emotions are a bit out of whack, I’m probably going to go, “Don’t really want to do this.” Actually, that is just the time when I should be doing it. So, in some ways, it’s a

self-fulfilling prophecy. We know what’s good for us, we know what we can do. We’ve been given some tools, we just need to practice them. And it’s sometimes quite difficult to remember all the great things we’ve learned. I mean, a couple of years ago, I was doing some work in a garden, and I managed to put a little thorn into my little finger. Didn’t really realize it much, and

then it got a bit sore during the day. Then it got very sore and spread through my whole hand. But when I was trying to go to bed, it had gone up to my elbow and was showing no sign of stopping. And I thought, “There’s no way I’m going to sleep.” And I thought, “Oh, maybe I’ll take an aspirin or something.” Then, somewhere in the back of my

head, I heard Master Liu’s voice talk about left-right meditation. And I thought, “There’s a tool there, just use it.” And it literally took no more than five minutes. It all went away, and I went to sleep. We can learn these great tools, but often we forget to use them because I could have saved myself about six hours of pain if I’d done it much earlier. So, being conscious

of ourselves, we also need to be conscious of what we’re capable of because it’s easy to get caught in the humdrum of the day. Does your story continue your Qigong journey? So, what else did you explore? Having decided to learn how to do this properly, I thought, “Well, I’ll sign up to be a therapist,” not really thinking I’d actually look to put it into practice. I mean, it’s

the old adage, and the military is very good at that—if you want to learn and be good at something, go teach it. So, learn to teach it. But actually, this journey has been so amazing. I’m quite fortunate in that, where I work, it’s a huge organization. I happened to talk to one of the communications people one day and said, “I’ve just been doing this course in Cyprus, and

it’s been really great.” And she said, “Well, that’s amazing! We’re doing a well-being month for this organization. Would you like to do something?” I thought, “Oh, okay.” So, we arranged to do some introductory workshops on Zoom just to show people what you can do. And attendance is variable because of work and stuff, but you know, I now have half a dozen people who regularly turn up, and some

of their improvements are just amazing. And it really reinforces my belief that if we learn how to do some stuff, we can really help ourselves. And, to be honest, my preference is not to give people healing. I want people to learn how to help themselves, and if they really need it, I’ll do a bit of healing for them. But I am a bit reluctant because I think, fundamentally,

we should harness our capability and learn. And I’ll give you two examples. A young man, mid-20s, I think, slightly prone to having bad days and being ill. I didn’t really think much about it, and one day he kind of told me that he basically has MS. He didn’t want to talk about it, didn’t want any of us to know about it, but he just wanted me to know,

given that he’d been doing this practice with me. But he was very determined, very determined to change his outcome. And he religiously did Odam every day, and slowly he got less unwell. Then, about January, I think about nine months ago, we had a conversation. He had since moved to a different place, and he said, “I just had my annual scan, and it’s clear.” He had changed his life,

right? His MS had been defeated, and he still practices now because I said, “Well, you need to stay on top of it.” So, anytime we really—anytime he has an issue, it’s that his practice has lapsed a bit. Then we’ll go and do some refreshment. I might give him a little bit of help, but he’s back on track. So, that’s, you know, that’s just a person who realizes their

own capability, refuses to believe his diagnosis, and wants to do something different. There’s a lady who, when we first met, had really bad arthritis. Through some event or another, she couldn’t really move. But she really resonated with the first introductory session, and when we got to the sweetie session, she learned Lift Qi Up – Pour Qi Down and was very, very disciplined every day. It was very clear

she wanted to do something different. Her intention was that, you know, she wanted to dance again. Really good, long-sighted intention. And every week—every week—that was like an amazing journey of her improving herself. So, initially, she could not put her hands on her feet during the whole Lift Qi Up – Pour Qi Down practice. But a couple of weeks later, she said, “Yeah, I can easily do that.” Now,

she lives where she has to take a bus to the train station to get into work. A few months into this, she was very excited when we met up on a Thursday evening and said, “You won’t believe this.” She took the bus to the train station this morning, and for whatever reason, the train was canceled. She thought, “You know what? I’m not gonna wait for the bus,” and

she walked home, which was about a mile (1.6 km)—right over the moon with herself. And actually, you could see the person glowing inside. And it’s continued—she continues to diligently practice and improve all the time. And to a point, once she was telling me she found herself running for the train. It’s like, wow, it’s just the same person all year long because she has that intention. We’re just giving

her a wee tool or two, and she just practiced it, knowing it makes a big difference to herself. So, I mean, that had made… I mean, those… And they’re not the only people, but those two reached out to me in this quite a long journey of mine, learning to become a therapist. It’s been so, you know, so heartwarming to see people. And I just want to try and

encourage more and more people to understand their own capability and go and help themselves. Everybody learns to help themselves, then go help some other people. Because if we—if we all cause that sort of ripple effect outwards, of just helping the world get better, getting people to be more comfortable in their own skin, not reacting to every bombardment of negativity that they receive 24/7, actually, I think it’ll just

be better all around. It’d be better for people. And every time we help someone else, as you all know, we benefit from that too. Because, yeah, where the Qi flows and where your mind goes, if your mind is positive, it will bring positive energy back into yourself from other places. And that is something that you said before we started the podcast, actually, that you feel it is important

to introduce the practice to other people so they can use it if they want to. Now, if nobody does that and we just keep it for ourselves, we’re not making much of an impact other than in our own life. But by simply showing up, by having the courage also to offer courses, because there are a lot of people I know that are doing fabulous work for themselves, they

feel like, “Oh, I don’t have the skill sets to teach others” and stuff like that. But it’s nonsense. I mean, if one person in your group has a result like this, it was all worth it. So even though you might not have a 25-year-old, 35-year education in Zhineng Qigong, but you have your experience and you have something to show people, you have something to teach people, it’s important

to step up and to say, “Okay, here’s what I can offer.” And then I love also the way you encourage people to take responsibility for themselves and to say, “Here are your tools.” If you have a clear intention. And it seems that the people that you mentioned there, they had a clear intention, a clear commitment towards their health and their lives. They take it up and they do

it in whatever they do. And then you see them six months later, nine months later, and you hear all these wonderful stories. So I think this is a great way and encouragement to all the listeners out there who have been successful with Zhineng Qigong to say, well, don’t be shy to share it with your, you don’t even have to offer courses, you know, just share it with your

family, with your friends. If you’ve got someone new in the environment who struggles, show them an exercise here or there, and it can already make a difference in somebody else’s life. So, I’m glad you mentioned this here towards the end of our podcast, because it’s important to make sure this work is growing and other people hear about it. And I think a simple act of providing hope for

people is so fundamental because most people suffer in silence because that’s their lot. Yes. And it doesn’t, you know, in the same way as a diagnosis doesn’t have to be, doesn’t have to define you, that doesn’t have to be their lot. And why we allow people to be unhappy, if through a tiny amount of effort we can help them, it’s because the reward, the reward is not a

financial thing. The reward is just, it’s in your heart. And I would really encourage people just to help other people. And I know it’s difficult. People don’t necessarily want to accept this woo-woo stuff because of the conditioning, but that’s fine. You can offer, you can lead the horse to water, you don’t have to make it drink. So, if we’re trying our level best to help more people understand,

that’s a really good start. And you are currently focusing on eye training because you had an experience, a very good experience, where you healed your eye, and you’re offering these courses online. Right. So anyone in the world who, you know, feels like, okay, I want to improve my eye health, can join these courses, can work with you, and see for themselves what Zhineng Qigong can do in this

case, particularly with eye health. I mean, obviously I know you’re a Hunyuan Qi Therapist, so you can basically deal with any disease, but your focus is currently on eye health when it comes to the trainings that you offer. Yeah, so I’m doing an online session once a month. On the 12th of January, I’m doing a session in the morning, UK time. And then on the 23rd of February,

I’m doing an evening session, UK time, just kind of fitting with America’s a wee bit better. So I did my first session in December, and that was quite successful. So it’s quite nice when people turn up, including a really nice gentleman I met on the plane one day, just showcase that it’s kind of nice when you just randomly introduce people. And as long as people attend, I will

run them because it’s just like an extension of my daily practice. I just happen to do a whole bunch of people and do some talking and talk a bit about theory and just help people understand really simple things, you know, show people the ability of their mind to make a change themselves physically and then actually feel them. So doing the practice at the end of that. I’ve always

found having an audio recording is really helpful to people. That’s certainly some of the feedback I had. Videos are fine, but actually when people are trying to do a practice, it’s easier for them to have their eyes closed and just listen to instruction. So I’ve got some condensed versions of how to do these practices that are just really designed for something to stick in their near earbud or

whatever and just go and do a practice and you can do that at home. Walking around doesn’t really matter because that just helps people get over that initial bit about getting into the habit of doing something and then not having to think too much about, well, what do I need to do? It’s something that guides me and in time, it then becomes just part of your muscle memory,

you know, the practice. Then you can spend more time. I kind of ended up getting really thinking about, oh, why am I doing these movements, right? Every time I go up, I feel something move. Qi’s being moved, right? Oh, okay, I understand. Qi is moving. And before you know it, you’re not only gathering Qi, you’re learning how to have that flow again properly through your body. Because actually

having your Qi levels topped up and then encouraging the network of your body to distribute Qi where it needs to be, that fixes so many problems. It’s not really rocket science in the straight process. The design’s simple: make sure you get enough Qi, make sure it flows, let the stuff do what it needs to do. It certainly worked for me, and I’ve seen it work for a few

people, so I’m really keen to help people understand that basic message. We will put your contact details in the show notes, obviously. So anybody who would like to work with you or join the workshops can get in touch. I think this is a great finishing point because you’ve been a very inspiring guest here, and we’ve touched on quite a few key points when it comes to why people

heal and what the success factors might be. I think this was a very good conversation, and I hope many, many people will benefit from it. So thank you very much, David, for being with me today, and yeah, I look forward to having you again on the show or seeing you again in person. I had the privilege to meet you not too long ago. It was really fun to

be with you, but I’m sure people can tell that you’re not just a great therapist, but also a fun person to be around. And so if you can’t make it to his online calls, maybe you should go out with him for a glass of healthy orange juice or something and have some fun for the time that. Torsten, great speaking with you. Thank you, David, and have a fantastic

day. Further, bye bye. We trust you enjoyed this conversation and we invite you to subscribe to our podcast so we can stay in touch and notify you of future episodes. We will end today’s episode with the Eight Verses Meditation performed by Zhineng Qigong teacher Katrien Hendrickx. Enjoy. To get your free eBook on the Eight Verses Meditation, please check the show notes below.