What techniques were used at the famous medicine-less hospital, the Huaxia Center of Dr Pang? Commonly known as Hunyuan Qi Therapy and based on Zhineng Qigong science, they were key to many of the miraculous healings witnessed in those days. Together with Master Yuantong Liu, Britta Stalling has been passing on these techniques to students and teachers in the West for more than 10 years now. Let’s hear what she has to say.
My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast. Welcome, everyone. Today, we’ve got Britta Stalling in our episode. It’s the third time she’s actually on the podcast. One was a roundtable discussion about why some people heal while others don’t. And today, we’ve got a very exciting topic. It is actually about the techniques that were used in the first medicine-less hospital, the famous Huaxia Center, founded by Dr Pang and Britta.
If I understand that correctly, these techniques are usually called Hunyuan Qi Therapy. Is that so? Yes. So, thank you for inviting me to this podcast and, yeah, supporting the listeners to dive deeper into all this exciting information. And the Hunyuan Qi Therapy, we can say, is like a branch or part of the Zhineng Qigong science system, focusing on learning and using consciousness and Qi medicine to apply for yourself, but also if you want to support others, to give Qi treatments to others.
This is something we have called Hunyuan Qi Therapy, so that people understand it is something you can learn. You can learn the skills and abilities, you can learn the techniques and methods to really be in a good position to apply Qi consciousness medicine for yourself or share it with others. So, if I think of the medicine-less hospital and the work that Dr Pang did there, and the pictures I have in mind, it’s people practicing La Qi, people practicing Lift Qi Up – Pour Qi Down, people practicing Wall Squats.
So, where does Hunyuan Qi Therapy fit into that? Is it something that has been added to it, or how should I imagine this? So, the Zhineng Qigong system has a couple of levels of practices, and you mentioned already some practice methods from Zhineng Qigong Level 1, but there’s also Level 2, Level 3, even up to six levels people could study. Whereas in the West at the moment, it’s only Zhineng Qigong Level 1, 2, and 3 that are available. The different levels consist of methods and practices you can learn, study, and practice for yourself, and they each have certain purposes.
Level 1 has the purpose of exchanging the Qi of your own body with the Qi of nature. Level 2 focuses more on going deep inside and enhancing the quality of Qi and the Qi flow through certain practices that really go deep inside your own body. Level 3 now focuses—this is a very simple explanation—but Level 3 now focuses on the emotions related to the inner hormone system.
So, the inner organs—to really make the organs very strong. So, that’s a simple description. So, your question: how does Hunyuan Qi Therapy fit in? In Hunyuan Qi Therapy, we also practice and learn some methods because we want to learn them to nourish our own health and well-being. And we are now training ourselves to become health and well-being coaches, also to give Qi treatments to others.
In the Huaxia Center, the medicine-less hospital, when you would come as a, let’s say, patient, you had a certain diagnosis. Then you would be grouped into, let’s say, a group of 30 or 40 people. You would have a teacher who would now teach the methods—Level 1, Level 2, Level 3. I’m not certain, but Level 1 and Level 2 for sure—so that you have tools to practice by yourself, even in that center, and there in a group environment, of course, to enhance your health and well-being.
At the same time, the teachers and healers were trained to give Qi treatments. Either they were trained to influence the information field, the Qi Field, to have a strong healing Qi Field. I mean, normally each teacher, each healer would at least, you know, learn that and apply it, but also give individual treatments to people suffering from diverse diagnoses or illnesses. So there’s a certain seven-step, let’s say, protocol for how you can give Qi treatment.
And this is something the teachers and healers would do. In addition to, you know, going through the methods and training with the people, they would also have conversations where they support the people to change their mindset. So, for example, change their mindset from being a patient. The first step is to change your mindset to become a student of Zhineng Qigong so that you shift from the situation where others take care of you to, if you’re a student, you start to own your power again and know you can learn something that can help you.
But you are the one who is controlling your health and well-being, and you are the one who is learning the methods or receiving the treatment with a conscious state of, “Yes, I am, you know, starting a recovery journey.” Also, in Hunyuan Qi Therapy, we talk about the power of intentions, the power to have actually a holistic health intention. Because this is the first step in healing, that you’re really clear about.
Yes, you are able to heal yourself. What does it mean? You know, then you need to find answers, of course, in that journey, but without a powerful intention, it is more challenging actually to regain your health and well-being. So in Hunyuan Qi Therapy, we have created, let’s say, a systematic approach to help people in the West understand how they worked in the medicine-less hospital and what to take into consideration if you want to create your own healing journey or if you want to support others.
It’s quite a comprehensive, let’s say, idea. And Master Yuantong Liu, who is the founder of the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program together with me, has taken the education Dr. Pang Ming offered to people in the medicine-less hospital who wanted to become a teacher or healer. He took the whole content and structured it in a way so that people in the West, like me, can more easily access it and trust it, having confidence that we can apply it for ourselves and for others.
And so you mentioned Master Yuantong Liu already. He and you founded the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program, I think it’s now 11 or 12 years ago or something like that. And you’ve trained a lot of— I think it’s 250 now— 250 certified therapists all over the world. This program is mainly for people who have a professional interest, whether as a healer or an alternative medical practitioner, to use these techniques to support others.
Right. But you also have some people, you know, that are using this primarily to heal themselves. And then, obviously, if it’s working so well, they use it for their friends, their family, on a more casual basis. So you don’t have to be a health practitioner in order to participate in the program. But the program itself is quite comprehensive, and it usually goes for around, you know, between 12 and 24 months, depending on the different modules your students choose.
But you’ve also taken the essence of these teachings for everybody to understand and apply in a slightly simplified version, obviously, with your Life Changer course, Hunyuan Qi Therapy Fundamentals, which is in its fifth year now and starting very soon. So we’ll put a link in the show notes. This is more for people who say, “Wow, this is a great concept, I want to learn more about it,” but not necessarily for those who will actually use it in their practice as an alternative healer, right?
Yes, that’s right. I mean, this program is a three-week program for 24 hours. And we really thought about how we can present the fundamentals of Hunyuan Qi Therapy. So like you say, to make it accessible for people coming with various needs or requests, or let’s say, life priorities. So we will actually share the fundamentals of what is actually Qi, what is Hunyuan Qi, what is Qi medicine?
What is consciousness medicine? To get an understanding and maybe also to demystify it. Master Yuantong Liu is a very empowering Zhineng Qigong master, where he, each time in these programs, really delivers practical skills and abilities. You can learn on the spot and also learn practices to understand, for example, the willpower of consciousness or how to nourish your own life force to enhance it, you know, stop depleting it.
We say there are two kinds of illnesses, so what does that actually mean? And how can you then, if there are only two kinds of illnesses, actually use certain practices to heal them and recover from them? But also, we talk a lot about the right mindset. It often starts really with the mindset. You know, we’ve witnessed people who know all the tools, but because they don’t have an upright, positive mindset, really trusting and believing in themselves, they practice, practice, practice, and don’t really see the results yet.
So we talk really openly about all these ideas and share concrete practices which people can put into practice immediately. And I would say that maybe some professional practitioners, you know, after they’ve practiced for a while, also can share based on this online program. Of course, the two-year program, the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program in itself, is set up in a way that you also receive mentoring and coaching. You can ask your questions, you work with clients.
We actually now help each other. I clearly remember 2014, when I started preparing the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program together with Master Yuantong Liu. I was blessed enough to support this whole initiative. I already met him in 2011, so I learned the skills and abilities in 2011. I applied them successfully, but I didn’t have colleagues to ask, you know, oh, I now receive this client, and he has this kind of issue, which kind of tool or practice should I maybe share?
And you know, I’ve done a healing session, and it’s completely recovered. Oh, I’m so happy. Can I share this, please, with somebody? So this is very important to have a network of professionals worldwide. And now it’s very interesting, especially in the last one, two, three years. Very seldom do we need to ask Master Liu directly. When I started in 2011, 12, 13, 14, I often asked Master Liu, you know, and also actually, when we had the first programs, Master Liu was obviously, and still is, always available.
But now we have a lot of wisdom in our community. So most of the time, we can cover specific questions already within our community of educated, certified Hunyuan Qi therapists, which is quite profound. And then when we have special cases, obviously, we ask Master Liu, or normally, I am the one asking Master Liu and then spreading the news again into our community so that everybody can benefit. And that’s quite profound because, to say that we have now a professional network of people around the world who bring the skills and abilities of the medicine-less hospital into the world, we can really say it’s true, and it’s increasing year by year.
It’s very rewarding, actually, to be part of this program, community, and initiative. We have a way you can discover Qigong. So at the Zhineng Qigong Students Hub, we know that understanding Qigong is very important and also that Zhineng Qigong in itself has various nuances that people can’t easily comprehend. So we’ve approached it in the style of a video game. On this page, Discover Qigong, you can select your character.
So you can either be a beginner, a practitioner, a holistic healer, or a self-healer. And you click on your character, and it takes you to these different sections. In these sections, you can explore the nuances, and when you click on a card, all of the resources pop up. We’ve made it really fun, and not many people know about it. So if you are interested, have a look and Discover Qigong.
All right, that’s all very interesting, Britta, but I’d also like to know as concretely as possible now, what does it include for the teacher that was at the medicine-less hospital? How did they have to be? What did they do? What were the technical skills required? Maybe you can tell our listeners a little bit more about that. Yes, that’s a great question. So I remember that Master Liu was sharing with us once that at least once a month, the teachers and healers came together to actually exchange their knowledge and skills and share, in a very open heart-mind way, what had worked and what didn’t work.
And so, let’s say, lessons learned. And out of these discussions, Master Yuantong Liu has actually developed what he calls the five technical skills to give a treatment, but also to receive a treatment for the healing process. And maybe that is interesting indeed for the listeners to learn about, because you can even work with it without coming to the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program. But obviously, in the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program, you will go very deep in learning it, applying it, and becoming very confident about them.
So the first skill is that you open your heart and mind. Next to the natural principles of life and life-evolving principles, there are also consciousness principles, and human beings have the ability to strengthen and enhance their conscious abilities to give a treatment, but also to receive a treatment based on Hunyuan Qi Therapy. This allows you to change the disease information and the state of the disease impacting your physical body into, let’s say, a consciousness of healthy abilities and proper function of your body.
So that we are really working based on the three levels of substances, which Dr. Pang Ming has created a whole philosophy upon, including the information substance level, the energy substance level, and the physical matter substance level. We understand the combination and how it’s all related, and how we can use our consciousness to transform an illness state into a healthy state. So that’s the first thing. Let me see whether I understood that.
So what you are saying here is we have an— I think you said something like the way things evolve. Anyway, say I’m a tree, and I’m standing there as a tree, and I get a disease because I’ve got some parasites or something on my leaves. And then, the way things are, the tree will try to heal itself, but without any conscious direction. It’s just what the tree does.
If I get infected as a tree, I try to heal myself. But this is not a conscious decision for the tree. It is just, you know, what the tree does. Now, what you are saying is that as human beings, because we have consciousness, we can actually use that to interfere in a way and say, okay, wait a tick, I can see now, for example, I have this problem with my skin or whatever, and I can use my consciousness to redirect the information.
And out of the information, my skin has a problem. I use my consciousness to give the information: my skin is healthy, which is obviously supporting, you know, all of my being to get to a healthy state. Is that what you’re saying? You know, I’m just trying to put it in everyday language here. Or did I miss something? Okay? No, it’s brilliant. And actually, I would like to build on what you shared to give you a very concrete example.
So everybody has the experience of maybe cutting their finger, right? By accident, something happens, and we have a small wound on our finger. So we put a plaster around it, and in a natural way, the skin has the ability to grow together, and we don’t even pay attention. Then, two or three hours later, we take the plaster off or pull it away and see, oh, beautiful, the skin is, you know, almost like normal. Maybe we just see a little scratch, but it’s almost like normal.
So now imagine, and I share now a real experience I had with one of our Hunyuan Qi Therapy participants a few years ago. We were together in the training, and she did a hike, and she came back with a wound on her leg, in her calf area, so above the foot, actually. And we had a full training day. And she was—then, after the training day, we were sitting together, sharing actually a glass of beer even.
And then she said, oh, I had this hike, but I hurt myself and look at my wound. We both looked at each other and said, okay, let’s give a Qi treatment. That’s now a perfect opportunity to practice and just do it. So we would then give a Qi treatment. We agreed to do that now, in that moment, put our beer aside, close our eyes, and then follow the steps Master Yuantong Liu has taught us in the program.
So first, we would close our eyes, we would organize the Qi Field. We would really connect, what we say, heart to heart, mind to mind, our consciousness together, really building one field and expanding into the space, then collecting, gathering Qi, and then scanning, and then doing La Qi. So we would send holistic health information into that area. But we are not—that’s another skill—we are not connecting with the wound now, with the illness itself, or the issue.
We would connect with the skin being healthy, and our mind is trained that we go inside. That’s another skill. We are not like on the surface, on the skin. We go into the skin, into the area, and together we collected, gathered Qi, and did La Qi for a while and repeated the process. That’s another skill Master Liu has shared with us: that we repeat, sending abundant, good, upright, healthy information again and again in a circle until it’s done, until we feel there’s a shift, there’s a transformation. Actually, we can sense that, actually.
And both of us sensed it. After a few minutes, 10 minutes of giving a treatment to her leg, we opened our eyes, and we were literally shocked. The yellow part—it was like, I don’t know the English word—when the wound is starting to have fluid, you know, getting maybe an infection, was completely gone. So it was dry, her skin was dry, and it shrank.
So it was not completely gone, but it shrank. The area of the wound shrank. It was smaller. The fluid had disappeared. And we could clearly see it’s done. I mean, the rest she could do by herself. And so the next morning, it was already better and better until completely healed. So sometimes, to me, it’s still—I mean, I have a completely different background. You know, I came to Zhineng Qigong, let’s say by coincidence.
Obviously, looking back, it was not a coincidence. I had a powerful intention to prevent myself from illness, and a colleague recommended I try it. It’s still, to me, magic, which should not be magic because it is actually something each human being has—the potential, the abilities. Each normal person can learn this and apply it. Children have much faster access to this idea because we’ve done children’s workshops, and they are very fast in applying it successfully.
Adults, what we need to do is we need to actually let go of frames of information we’ve collected. And I come to another very important technical skill, which is transforming the traditional knowledge, or let’s say, separating our consciousness from the traditional knowledge. Like Western medicine says, Parkinson’s cannot be healed, MS cannot be healed, ALS cannot be healed, certain eye diseases, like macular degeneration, cannot be healed. Okay, so what do you do now?
If you get this diagnosis from your doctor and he says, sorry, I diagnosed you with Parkinson’s, oh my God, I’m going to die, right? Because they don’t have medicine to heal it. They can only slow it down. But now there’s a holistic system that says, yes, there’s hope, because yes, there is potential to heal. There’s not a promise that you can heal yourself because that, again, is a bit more comprehensive and can also be complex.
Because, like these ideas, you know, we invite you now to overcome the Western medicine knowledge that it cannot be healed. And now we offer some practices and say, yeah, you can open your heart and mind, change your mindset, only nourish positive, upright, healthy thoughts, learn how to apply your consciousness, apply Qi therapy for yourself, learn the methods so you have practices each day, like with diagnoses, like Parkinson’s or MS.
Or any kind of chronic disease. The Zhineng Qigong masters actually say, please practice three to four hours a day. That alone. I’ve met many people who say, I can’t. I have a busy lifestyle, sorry. And I go like, then, okay, then maybe Qigong is not for you. Please look further and find another way. But for this kind of condition, we have enough examples now also in the West, where I actually point people to and say, speak to this woman or man who has overcome these symptoms by dedicated practice.
Some only practice two hours a day for a year. Others practice three or four hours a day for a year. But the result is with applying all these different ideas we have put together in a book now too, so people can read the book and, you know, apply these ideas. But the willingness to apply, that’s also one technical skill that, yeah, you, you need to really believe and trust in your own healing intention.
That’s really very important that you go beyond what maybe other people say. You know, a doctor can actually say one strong sentence which literally kills you because you believe the doctor, because the doctor said, sorry, you know, we cannot cure you. And very seldom. I also witnessed that once, where a doctor said, sorry, we cannot help you, but find a Qigong master. That was really, really gives me still goosebumps when that person then sat in our workshop and started to heal from a very serious diagnosis of cancer.
So, and then maybe one other idea is people can consider that the consciousness doesn’t pay attention to the process, but really focuses on the end result. And that is also something which we in the West, we need to really, how do you say that? Unlearn certain things in our mind because we are trained in processes. We are trained, you know, in action and in step by step. But here we say, you know, become clear about your healing intention and trust and belief that it is manifesting in that specific moment based on your practice, based on opening your heart and mind, based on applying all these skills, it will happen.
It’s already happening. It’s already the result of your intention. Like we could say the intention equals the result. That’s quite a new concept for many, many people. But that’s also like why I’m never bored with Zhineng Qigong, and I practice in Hunyuan Qi Therapy. I’ve practiced since 2005. We brought the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program into the world in 2015, starting with the first generation. And I still feel I can learn so much because it’s really inspiring each day again and again to go deeper with this material.
So it’s never boring. Sure, it’s all very fascinating. Britta, I’m very grateful to have you here so that you explain all these things. And with the last point in particular, I’m reminded that when people came to the Huaxia Center and were welcomed by the teachers and Dr. Pang, the message was always, you are already healthy. So they were always focusing on the health result. They did not see a sick person coming, they saw a healthy person coming.
Right, and this is what you meant by don’t focus on the process, focus on the end result. Because our body is so powerful, the Qi is so powerful, they know that Qi and the body know what to do. We just have to give them the direction to the end result so that it can act upon it and so, yeah, so that’s great that you share all these techniques because that is what was happening at the Huaxia Center at the Medicine-Less Hospital.
This is how the teachers would work with the patients. And you just mentioned that you have just finished the book and I know about that. I think it was only published like six weeks ago, so it’s very fresh. Here we go. For those who have a camera, they can see it. What is it called? Ancient Chinese Qi Medicine: The Secrets to Holistic Health, Well-Being, and Modern Life.
Yes. You have written this book together with Master Liu, or basically, the input comes from him because he was at the Huaxia Center for many, many years. Do you know how many years he’s been there? Yes, he was actually working there for 10 years. So he did the two years of rigorous training directly with Dr. Pang Ming and then worked there for eight years with thousands of patients.
We could say. And to build on, I would just like to share one thing because when you said, yeah, they welcomed all the people already with Hao La. So I remember Master Liu once sharing that, you know, they would write down the details of the person arriving and whenever the person shared something in their mind, Hao La. Now, Master Liu also shared that with us. Like when we are receiving an email from a person requesting support in their health and well-being journey, already receiving that email, we say Hao La.
When we have the phone call or Zoom call, we have a Hao La mindset, a Hunyuan Ling Tong mindset. And this is really something people can experience. I had a 30-minute consultation call the other day, and the person, the next day, was confronted with quite a challenge and could share with me that based on the consultation and the small practice I shared, she was better off. You know, so it’s like really applying simple things.
You know, when you meet a person, be in the Hao La state. When you go on traveling and you, you know, meet some people you don’t even know, you know, you can always be in the Hao La state. That’s already quite a high-level practice and good benefits for everybody involved. I do want to come back to the book, though, because in Zhineng Qigong, a lot of the literature is not so easily approachable for us in the West.
It’s quite complex and it’s been written in a difficult language. Now what Master Liu has done here by cooperating with you, he said, okay, we share the knowledge. He obviously shares the experience because he has been at the medicine-less hospital for so many years. But we make it in a way that is easy for people to understand. So he’s taken the essence of these 10 years and what he’s learned there about Hunyuan Qi Therapy and you guys have brought it together in the book, and I’ve read some of the reviews.
It’s really an incredible book. And I can only encourage people that have an interest, you know, to, to, you know, to look into it and see whether this could be something for you to learn the basics here. Actually, it’s not just the, I mean, it’s more than the basics because this book has many, many pages. So I think it’s quite comprehensive. So for anybody who’s got an interest, you know, go see what you can learn here.
Yeah, it has 300 pages. And you’re completely right. We structured it in a way that it represents also the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program and all this knowledge Master Liu has, but also practical ideas. So we have combined, let’s say, the theories in a very accessible way so people can really understand it and then put methods, practices, insights, meditations, poems. So to make it a little bit more, yeah, digestible.
And the feedback we have been receiving is actually really encouraging and motivating because people write to us that, yeah, they have all the theory books at home too, but with this book, they find it more, they can better understand. Yeah. So very happy that people can benefit from it. So have we missed any? I mean, obviously if you’re offering a two-year program, it has a lot to talk about, but we don’t have two years here.
We’ve got limited time. Is there anything you would like to add to our listeners when you, when we think about Hunyuan Qi therapy, anything that you feel like, oh, we shouldn’t forget to address this point? Yes, I think an important aspect of Hunyuan Qi therapy is, and also Zhineng Qigong science, is actually to have tools and methods to more open the heart and mind for new information, for new beginnings, for new possibilities, for new potential.
Because if you are in a situation that you maybe have experienced a trauma or you have now a diagnosis by the doctor, very often you know the heart is shrinking and you are in fear, you are in worries, you don’t really know what to do next and where to find support, if you’re even open for support. And Hunyuan Qi therapy and Zhineng Qigong science help you to open the heart and mind to be open for support and be open for the potential and possibility.
Life is never promising anything. But my understanding of how I now came to Zhineng Qigong and I’ve studied and practiced it now for so many years that life indeed gives us new potential and opportunities and new beginnings. Even in very hopeless situations, you know, there can always be hope. And I would say that maybe as a closing word that, yeah, getting the book can be a first step that you read page by page and you find suddenly, you know, your heart is opening up and you go like, yeah, I didn’t think about that.
Oh, maybe I should, you know, go out and find somebody who can help me practice something, you know, that I take my health in my own hands again, that I regain control or I find a coach. It can be an energy therapist. Yes. But maybe it can also be a coach who helps me to, you know, to, let’s say, open my mind and find new lifestyle decisions which are supportive in my life and not depleting my life.
So let’s say, find the support of experts. You do not need to do this alone. I think that is, I have had the blessing of so many mentors, coaches, trainers, who helped me to grow and evolve and progress in many ways. And that is, I think, the blessing in life to know you are not alone on this journey. And if you feel alone, then it’s time to open up your heart and reach out to people who have maybe certain skills and they are happy to share them with you.
So, yeah, why not be more curious, be more curious to investigate, you know, what else life has to offer. I know there were closing words, but I would like to add something here because you used some beautiful words, and that was “open to the possibility.” And I want to use these words because… And then go back a little in our conversation when you said, yeah, that people would arrive at the Huaxia Center, you know, diagnosed with terminal illnesses, for example, and then they are welcomed by people.
They say that, “You’re already healthy.” Now, a lot of people with a rational mind would say, “What are they talking about? I’ve got this diagnosis here, I can hardly move.” So, rather, for those people that cannot simply just switch completely, I think this creates an opening here. If they say, “Okay, maybe this is what I feel now, maybe this is what I’ve been told by the doctor, but I am open for the possibility that there is healing,” because that is something else than saying, “I’m already healthy.”
But I think it’s a starting point for many people to say, “I’m open to this possibility and I’m going to embrace it fully.” Because, as you said earlier also, there are no promises, because any disease is a complex thing and there might be trauma history, or nutrition, or some poison in our environment that’s all consciously contributing to everything. So, there are so many factors, so there are no promises.
But there is the possibility, and to be open to that already is a good step towards total health. If I spoke nonsense, please correct me. Otherwise, I have the closing word today. That’s okay. No, that’s perfectly fine. No, that’s really a great way to inspire. You know, maybe that’s also, like with these kinds of podcasts, we would like to inspire people to find new ways and… Yeah, that’s very good.
Thank you. So all links will obviously be in the show notes. So there is the Life Changer program on the Hunyuan Qi Therapy fundamentals starting in the next few days. So check that out. We’ve got the link to the book and obviously also to the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program if anybody’s interested and would like to follow up there now. Thank you very much, Britta. It was a pleasure to have you on the show again.
And yeah, I hope you’ll have a fantastic evening and I’ll see you soon. Thank you very much, Torsten. Thank you to all the listeners. We trust you enjoyed this conversation and we invite you to subscribe to our podcast so we can stay in touch and notify you of future episodes. We will end today’s episode with the Eight Verses Meditation performed by Zhineng Qigong teacher Katrin Hendrickx. Enjoy. To get your free eBook on the Eight Verses Meditation, please check the show notes below.
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